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Justin Hale
Joined: 24 Nov 2007
Location: the Straight Talk Express
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Cheonmunka joked:
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Let's try this in layman's terms:
"...empiricists draw an arbitrary, imaginary line between the physical objects of sense perception and the abstract objects of 'abstract entity perception'. Abstract entities enjoy, I submit, just as much of a mind-independent existence as the physical world."
I too reckon that there's something out there as well as what we can see and touch.
"For me, there's no tension at all between being an atheist and being an abstract entity realist. The notion that only things with a spatio-temporal location are mind-independent things is erroneous and arbitrarily biased towards sensory perception. "
I reckon that things we can't see can easily seem real to us. |
Very witty. 
Cheonmunka asked:
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Beautiful sentence. Who wrote it?
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It's nothing special. I wrote it. Heaven forbid I would ever commit plagiarism! 
Vanislander prattled
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| language gone on holiday wittgenstein would have none of it, though nietzsche might be interested in arguing the subject of truth and the role of music |
It's easy to use cliches like 'language gone on holiday' isn't it? 
In any case, I am a Kantian. No, that's not evident at all in what I wrote earlier, but in everyday discourse or reflection upon physical and abstract phenomena, I am realist - I believe items of our language correspond with one-one directness to mind-independent entities, but in Metaphysics or Epistemology class where the requirements for certainty are impossibly strict ( ), I rather take a Kantian view: features of phenomena likely belong to the thinking subject rather than to the object of thought. |
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cassette_tape
Joined: 17 Dec 2007
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hey prsman, send me a message sometime after you get here at michaeljoakley (at) gmail (dot) com, if you want to get together sometime and discuss philosophy or whatever.
it has been a while since i have had studied russell, but of course his "history of western philosophy" is a good read.
like i said, i have more of an informal appreciation for philosophy, i was a political science major and that sparked my interest in the discipline. i am not as well versed as some.
and bryan drop me a line too when you get into town, but if it is in september you will probably have to remind me who you are.
as far as starting a philosophical discussion thread in the offtopic forum, i would rather meet people and leave my computer everyone once and a while, god knows i spend too much time reading dave's esl cafe as it is. |
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daemyann
Joined: 09 Nov 2007
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That was refreshing.
It's uplifting to see some critical thought and speculation, while simultaneously very balancing to have a vivid reminder of how much back-handed elitism often comes along with it...
You have to wonder why the two often seem to be so inseparable...
Elitism aside, I share the OP's plight. |
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mrgiles
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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dude two thoughts apart from wot u urself have suggested and others in this thread.
amazon can b ur best friend here.
p'raps set up a blog with "comments" capability.
i know that writing philosophy etc is very different from vocal discourse, but it's better than nuffin.
did somebody say kant?? o' course he's quite important 2 "western" thought, but surely the innumerable criticisms given 2 not only particular facets of his work but also his pos'n in general ought 2 hold considerable sway? |
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bgreenster
Joined: 06 Feb 2007
Location: too far from the beach
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| Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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I would love to join some kind of group- definitely a good idea. I, too, have found that my vocabulary is going down the toilet- bad for me considering I always thought of that as one of my strengths  It's just that having to simplify my speaking for my Korean friends and discussion groups has led me to take much longer to remember other, usually more accurately descriptive, words for what I am thinking.
I live in Incheon, but come in to Seoul all of the time... and I don't have any formal philosophy education, just a Religious Studies minor and personal ideas and opinions... so while I may not be able to quote people or reference texts, I promise I can ask questions and give my take on ideas! |
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