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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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| My korean friend is a golf pro back home in NZ. He has well and truely integrated into NZ society, not an easy thing to do for a guy immigrating by himself but he made it a lot easier by working hard on his english in korea, renting houses with other kiwi's and having a big group of kiwi mates. Initially he was obviously still tied up in the korean mindset regarding relationships with people but after having lived in the country for 8 years he is now one of the boys. To say that kiwi's are more xenophobic than koreans is pure bollocks, the video is a fringe group of losers, most kiwi's will accept anyone into our country who is willing to have a go at adapting to the NZ way of life. |
I agree.. but intergrating in the cities is far better..
those girls on that video speaking like that.. where does that come from..
if they feel that way about asians.. what do they say about the maoris?
they wont say that on TV becuase they will be afraid they will get a hell of a CRACK!! but if your racist like that you hate all people non white..
anyway I hate watching that kind of stuff.. feel sorry for those girls and those guys.. they got mentally abused as children to hate races they are speaking words of others and believing it... |
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chris_J2
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
Location: From Brisbane, Au.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 3:04 am Post subject: Racism in NZ. |
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| I couldn't agree less. Racism is taught. Ever work with young children? After the initial "you look different from me" reactions, they'll accept you no matter what you look like. Racism is always learned, whether from culture or upbringing. No one is born a bigot. |
Racism is usually the result of ignorance. And the operative word was generally. Additionally, some children can say & do, the nastiest things, (usually, without realizing it), until they're taught it is unacceptable behaviour. Ever seen a kid having a tantrum in a supermarket, & screaming, because the parent(s) won't pander to their instant candy cravings?
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but you won't see a korean car pull up and out comes this C##t
and kicks a 14 year old boy in the head for sitting on a bench eating an ice cream for being japanese! |
Agreed. Which is why I've previously written this:
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| Any racism by Koreans tends to be a lot more discreet. |
And very few Asians end up in street gangs. Some even make it to the upper echelons of society:
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| Penelope Ying-yen "Penny" Wong (Chinese: 黃英賢; pinyin: Hu�ng Yīngxi�n, born November 5, 1968), Australian Labor Party politician, is the current and first Australian Minister for Climate Change and Water. She has been a member of the Australian Senate since 2002, representing South Australia. Wong is the first Asian-born member, of an Australian Cabinet. |
(Wikipedia)
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mervsdamun
Joined: 06 Jun 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 3:15 am Post subject: |
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Ohh, boo hoo.
I wish now and then a few of those types would get a good beating. But, everyone loves them because they are rich, and that's where your billions come from, because NZ taxes its residents on worldwide income. |
Oh boo hoo.
Some Chinese man looked funny at me and now I think he deserves a beating. Bad man. Why don�t he and his kind leave? They can take their tax dollars with them. My kids won�t get to get to uni cause the government will raise the fees by 300% and we will have no infrastructure to speak of but at least some sod won�t be looking funny me.
And while we at it, why don�t we stop trading with that lot. That will teach them a lesson. So our GDP will be the same as Tonga�s but so what? I worked at night to go to uni so I�ll work at night to heat the house in winter if I have to. |
Cheonmunka seems to think that every foreigner who goes to NZ is loaded.
The problem for a lot of white migrants to NZ is that though they are highly qualified, speak fluent English etc. there are no jobs for them once they arrive in NZ. It�s not their fault and it�s not the fault of the NZ people. However, it is very much the fault of the NZ government which is behind a very aggressive and haphazard drive to get as many skilled people into the country � essentially they don�t mind if they leave after a year or two because by that stage they would�ve made a nice few $$ from the immigration fees. As someone wrote, it is an industry. |
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Cheonmunka
Joined: 04 Jun 2004
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There was lass in our Korean graduate class. She was a natural. She got the highest grades out of all of us. When it came to scholarship time she was definately going off to Korea.
She came out of the office with tears from the deep. "Why? What's wrong?" we asked.
"I couldn't get the scholarship."
"What? Why?"
"The company giving the scholarship refused because of the colour of my skin."
(It's brown btw.)
I'm not going to analyse this true event, make of it what you will.
It shows the accepted and institutionalised racism that comes from the East and is accepted by NZ. Obviously, as it was accepted in the number 43 best university in the World. Would you like to go to that University and say something 'anti-Asian?'
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| no jobs for them once they arrive in NZ |
I refer you to the Pakistani taxi driver. NZ emigration has traditionally worked in that there are no roads of gold laid out.
Also, NZ doesn't have a lack of bright and smart people. It is a scheme - a scheme that all these bright people from elsewhere fall for.
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mervsdamun
Joined: 06 Jun 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 3:42 am Post subject: |
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| no jobs for them once they arrive in NZ |
Again, the silver spoon crybaby syndrome.
There are heaps of jobs. Unemployment is 3%. I believe that most people just want to keep their present status. So, they expect to have the cake and eat it too? |
Do you have any idea how migration works in NZ these days? People are told by NZIS that there are jobs in their field, they even get points on the residency application for that.
Then they fork out on the immigration process because they believe they are wanted and then they land in NZ and are told they need to retrain or that they can�t get a job because they have �no kiwi expereince�?
So yeah many of them do end up driving taxis etc. until they save enough to take their families and all their earthly belongings back home and back to a higher standard of living.
Wouldn't taht make you bitter? |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 3:54 am Post subject: |
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| no jobs for them once they arrive in NZ |
Again, the silver spoon crybaby syndrome.
There are heaps of jobs. Unemployment is 3%. I believe that most people just want to keep their present status. So, they expect to have the cake and eat it too? |
Do you have any idea how migration works in NZ these days? People are told by NZIS that there are jobs in their field, they even get points on the residency application for that.
Then they fork out on the immigration process because they believe they are wanted and then they land in NZ and are told they need to retrain or that they can�t get a job because they have �no kiwi expereince�?
So yeah many of them do end up driving taxis etc. until they save enough to take their families and all their earthly belongings back home and back to a higher standard of living.
Wouldn't taht make you bitter? |
Hell, if I came over here and they stuck me in a cab when they suddenly wouldn't acknowledge my education, I might be a little pissed  |
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Ilsanman
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:04 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, all these immigrants should go to other countrues and demand jobs that locals are qualified to do, and they should get priority, right?
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| no jobs for them once they arrive in NZ |
Again, the silver spoon crybaby syndrome.
There are heaps of jobs. Unemployment is 3%. I believe that most people just want to keep their present status. So, they expect to have the cake and eat it too? |
Do you have any idea how migration works in NZ these days? People are told by NZIS that there are jobs in their field, they even get points on the residency application for that.
Then they fork out on the immigration process because they believe they are wanted and then they land in NZ and are told they need to retrain or that they can�t get a job because they have �no kiwi expereince�?
So yeah many of them do end up driving taxis etc. until they save enough to take their families and all their earthly belongings back home and back to a higher standard of living.
Wouldn't taht make you bitter? |
Hell, if I came over here and they stuck me in a cab when they suddenly wouldn't acknowledge my education, I might be a little pissed |
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dalpengi
Joined: 08 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:12 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, all these immigrants should go to other countrues and demand jobs that locals are qualified to do, and they should get priority, right?
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You haven�t bothered to read anything in this thread, have you?
NZIS encourages migrants from Europe and North America to come to NZ. It�s not like those people are economic refugees. They are tempted by the promise of adventure, cheaper cost of living, something different etc. They quit their jobs, fork out their saving on the process only to discover they are unwanted.
The whole purpose, in reality, is to extract immigration fees. It�s not really a secret in NZ these days.
Take a look at this tread:
http://www.expatexposed.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=319 |
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kiwiduncan
Joined: 18 Jun 2007
Location: New Zealand
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:30 am Post subject: |
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The more I read about the immigration situation in New Zealand the more pissed off I get.
I get pissed off with the more narrow-minded of the long-term kiwis, who have proven themselves to be unwelcoming rednecks, and I get pissed off with a lot of the wealthier immigrants (wherever they are from), who very often have more interest in showing off their cash or buying up property than fitting in with Kiwi society.
Most of all I get pissed off with the immigration consultants, realestate agents, property speculators and others who seem to be ripping off both the long-term kiwis and the new arrivals.
I wish we could just go back days when anyone keen to move to New Zealand had to prove their metal by spending 3 to 6 months throwing up in the hold of a leaking sailing ship, only venturing onto the deck once a week to throw another dead family member overboard. |
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kiwiduncan
Joined: 18 Jun 2007
Location: New Zealand
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:50 am Post subject: |
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| My korean friend is a golf pro back home in NZ. He has well and truely integrated into NZ society, not an easy thing to do for a guy immigrating by himself but he made it a lot easier by working hard on his english in korea, renting houses with other kiwi's and having a big group of kiwi mates. Initially he was obviously still tied up in the korean mindset regarding relationships with people but after having lived in the country for 8 years he is now one of the boys. To say that kiwi's are more xenophobic than koreans is pure bollocks, the video is a fringe group of losers, most kiwi's will accept anyone into our country who is willing to have a go at adapting to the NZ way of life. |
I remember this Korean guy I met at Otago. He and his Korean mate, both immigrants, were both members of a 10 day cycle tour. From the end of the first day, when someone (me I think ) asked them where they were from, they were totally accepted by everone. I learned my first Korean from them ("미친놈"). Last I heard from the guy he was going out with a kiwi girl and hanging out with her family on a farm up north somewhere. |
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blackjack
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: anyang
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 8:57 am Post subject: |
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| mervsdamun wrote: |
| Cheonmunka wrote: |
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| no jobs for them once they arrive in NZ |
Again, the silver spoon crybaby syndrome.
There are heaps of jobs. Unemployment is 3%. I believe that most people just want to keep their present status. So, they expect to have the cake and eat it too? |
Do you have any idea how migration works in NZ these days? People are told by NZIS that there are jobs in their field, they even get points on the residency application for that.
Then they fork out on the immigration process because they believe they are wanted and then they land in NZ and are told they need to retrain or that they can’t get a job because they have ‘no kiwi expereince’?
So yeah many of them do end up driving taxis etc. until they save enough to take their families and all their earthly belongings back home and back to a higher standard of living.
Wouldn't taht make you bitter? |
The thing is we are not talking about fresh out of school people that want to see the world. Most of these people are older and/or have families. you don't go half way round the world uprooting your family with out a least checking out the job market first. You might even take a holiday to check it out first.
somebody fresh out of uni bright eyed and bushy tailed I can kind of forgive. A 30-40 year professional with partner/family should no better |
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crazylemongirl
Joined: 23 Mar 2003
Location: almost there...
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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but the thing is, it's not just migrants. Even Kiwisreturning from the OE are subject to the great NZ clobbering machine.
There's a whole lot of propaganda around about how the govt wants NZers to be 'asia literate' but of the people I know with specific 'Asian skills', are almost always working for asian companies or asian govt depts in NZ because NZ companies/govt think that makes us too specialised in NZ's generalist enviroment. |
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Cheonmunka
Joined: 04 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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Some Chinese man looked funny at me and now I think he deserves a beating. Bad man. Why don�t he and his kind leave? They can take their tax dollars with them. My kids won�t get to get to uni cause the government will raise the fees by 300% and we will have no infrastructure to speak of but at least some sod won�t be looking funny me.
And while we at it, why don�t we stop trading with that lot. That will teach them a lesson. So our GDP will be the same as Tonga�s but so what? I worked at night to go to uni so I�ll work at night to heat the house in winter if I have to. |
I was wrong about what I wrote. Actually, I have experienced violent attacks against myself, perhaps I am a lippy person. I am not a violent person and I don't know why I wrote it. I guess after living in NZ with its often brutish ways one just gets used to it?
Anyway, you raise some points:
Uni fees have risen by more than 300%. In fact, in the early nineties uni was free. So now, uni fees are thousands times more expensive. Maybe you wouldn't know that.
All we get from China are products made so poorly that break five minutes after you wrench the items out of the packets trying all the time not to slice your fingers on the plastic. Is there not a better market with which to trade?
In NZ, if you can afford a slice of land now that prices have risen more than 300% in the last ten years, you don't have to heat the house, you use woollen blankets. They were good enough then, why not now? Do we have to use expensive imported fuels?
I've already mentioned an experience within Asian studies at Auckland Uni where reverse racism is the system. Further, there is racism coming from Tonga. I once was aggresively stared down while sitting with my girlfriend in a public park watching the Tongan Olympics. The Korean doesn't like the Tongan, The Tongan doesn't like the Palanghi, The Palangi doesn't like the Korean, nor does the Maori who isn't liked by the Chinese. The poor don't like the rich because the rich distrust anyone poor. Well, then, with all the racism and resentment coming from all sides why should any of us be surprised at this kind of thing or be concerned about the other?
Melting pot? More like a pile of spew. |
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Roch
Joined: 24 Apr 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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You know I'd rather be a black dude in Alabama then a white dude in Zimbabwe. These x-is-more-racist-than-y arguments are just pointless. Honestly, I agree with the posters who find it interesting or even enlightening to be on the receiving end of racism. Us white guys don't get that a whole lot. But to argue the NZ is more racist than Korea...what is this a survey? I'll flat out say is America racist? Yes. Parts of the US drag black people behind their trucks. Ok it happens every couple of years...but still.
-These asians keep wanting to be like "I didn't get my free cup of coffee at the 7-11 in Bumble Mississippi" as if it justifies getting cat called for being seen in public with a korean girl. Just last night I was at a bar with a girl. I got up to go to the bathroom, and when I came back some Korean was in my booth talking to her. HE FLED before I could even complain.
-I think if you're white Koreans are simply xenophobic not racist. If you're black then they are racist. If you're Asian, stop thinking a continent is a nationality or an ethnicity. Tell a serb and a bosnian...oh you Europeans are so cute. |
Are you from Canada? |
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Roch
Joined: 24 Apr 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the link OP.
Man I think the thing which upset me the most in that video was that total redneck neo-nazi skinhead tattoo artist claiming that he was representing 'white culture'.
That guy is a fucking scumbag who deserves to be shot, along with those two white trash whores.
We certainly experience some racism in Korea too, but this kind of *beep*? It doesn't compare.[/i] |
Speak for yourself.
I was attacked by Korean mobs near Yonsei University two weekends in a row in late Winter of 2002 (Tomwaitsforone was there for one) and had a knife pulled on me by a local guy at Popcorn Adjumma's at Sinjeonnegori Station in Winter, 2001.
An Aussie I know was with me and a Canadian at Hangook University in August, 2001. I went into the LG 25 to get another beer. I was in there for a minute or so when I noticed four Koreans armed with their plastic chairs swinging them at the two people I was with at that time.
Koreans who said that they had U.S. citizenship suddenly attacked me at Woodstock in Shinchon after I cordially bought them Rum and Cokes. Tomwaits was there, too.
I've lots of other incidents to share with you if you if you'd like to know about them. |
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