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Craven Moorehead
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| Apparently there are some real problems in the dressing room in Toronto. Rampant depression because of how poorly they are performing, etc. I heard that Andrew Raycroft and Vesa Toskala formed a joint suicide pact after the last debacle on ice, and jumped in front of a bus. Unfortunately the bus went through their legs. Hahahahahaha, oh thats rich. Thanks folks, I'm here all week, bring the kids! |
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crusher_of_heads
Joined: 23 Feb 2007
Location: kimbop and kimchi for kimberly!!!!
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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| yingwenlaoshi wrote: |
| And they just keep right on sucking. |
Shocking! |
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Hanson
Joined: 20 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 12:41 am Post subject: |
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| Just looking at a few stats, and I noticed Sundin is a +11. That's damn good for a Leafs player. |
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yingwenlaoshi
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:08 am Post subject: |
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| Hanson wrote: |
| Just looking at a few stats, and I noticed Sundin is a +11. That's damn good for a Leafs player. |
For Philadelphia, Richards is +12 and Briere is -11. Go figure. Plus minuses are weird sometimes. But I guess it's a good gauge of performance. It's a stat that depends on many things though. Like how often a player plays, who he is matched against, etc. Also, the NHL is a little weird nowadays. I don't know. |
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Hanson
Joined: 20 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:19 am Post subject: |
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| yingwenlaoshi wrote: |
| Hanson wrote: |
| Just looking at a few stats, and I noticed Sundin is a +11. That's damn good for a Leafs player. |
For Philadelphia, Richards is +12 and Briere is -11. Go figure. Plus minuses are weird sometimes. But I guess it's a good gauge of performance. It's a stat that depends on many things though. Like how often a player plays, who he is matched against, etc. Also, the NHL is a little weird nowadays. I don't know. |
Take a look at the NHL leaders stats and especially at the +/- stat. All the league leaders who are one-offs, one-way players, decent players on bad teams (granted), or those who were never considered that "great" have minus numbers. All the really good players, play-makers, two-way players are higher up in the +/- stat.
Look at Ilya Kovalchuk - he's got 37 hoals, but he's a -7. Eric Stall is a -6 (23 goals). One-way players.
Datsyuk is a +34 on a great team, but Iginla is a +18 with Calgary. Both all-around great players. |
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ajgeddes
Joined: 28 Apr 2004
Location: Yongsan
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:26 am Post subject: |
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I was like +3 last Sunday, but I am definitely not a two-way player these days, so theory busted Hanson.
(Just kidding) |
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yingwenlaoshi
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:46 am Post subject: |
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| ajgeddes wrote: |
I was like +3 last Sunday, but I am definitely not a two-way player these days, so theory busted Hanson.
(Just kidding) |
Cherry picker! |
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rteazee
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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Newbie
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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Idiots just won.
I hate when they win this year. Now everybody is going to be talking about how they can turn the year around.
Anybody read Damien Cox?.... might be the biggest idiot in the world. Even moreso than me. |
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yingwenlaoshi
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Newbie wrote: |
Idiots just won.
I hate when they win this year. Now everybody is going to be talking about how they can turn the year around.
Anybody read Damien Cox?.... might be the biggest idiot in the world. Even moreso than me. |
Ha! Yeah. They beat a team who also sucks. Carolina stink. |
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ernie
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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i think the plus/minus stat is interesting but i think it needs to reflect a few more factors to be meaningful, e.g.
1. power plays and penalty killing... a guy who kills penalties is probably not going to have a great +/-, even though he might be really effective, and vice versa for a power play guy
2. timeliness of goals - why should a goal scored at the end of a 5-1 blowout that no one cares about be worth the same as a game winner with 1:00 left?
3. stats of the opposition... similar to #1: if a guy is a defensive specialist who always has to cover the other team's superstar, his +/- is guaranteed to suck, even though he might be doing a great job
i understand that this is rather complicated, but formulas could be used...
players could receive +/- points for successful penalty kills and thwarting the opposition's star players based upon how they perform compared to the average...
if the leafs score on 20% of their powerplays (hahaha that would never happen), then a successful penalty kill could be worth 0.2 of a +/- point... |
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yingwenlaoshi
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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| ernie wrote: |
i think the plus/minus stat is interesting but i think it needs to reflect a few more factors to be meaningful, e.g.
1. power plays and penalty killing... a guy who kills penalties is probably not going to have a great +/-, even though he might be really effective, and vice versa for a power play guy
2. timeliness of goals - why should a goal scored at the end of a 5-1 blowout that no one cares about be worth the same as a game winner with 1:00 left?
3. stats of the opposition... similar to #1: if a guy is a defensive specialist who always has to cover the other team's superstar, his +/- is guaranteed to suck, even though he might be doing a great job
i understand that this is rather complicated, but formulas could be used...
players could receive +/- points for successful penalty kills and thwarting the opposition's star players based upon how they perform compared to the average...
if the leafs score on 20% of their powerplays (hahaha that would never happen), then a successful penalty kill could be worth 0.2 of a +/- point... |
Too much bother, really.
But the Leafs really suck. |
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ajgeddes
Joined: 28 Apr 2004
Location: Yongsan
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| Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 12:12 am Post subject: |
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| ernie wrote: |
i think the plus/minus stat is interesting but i think it needs to reflect a few more factors to be meaningful, e.g.
1. power plays and penalty killing... a guy who kills penalties is probably not going to have a great +/-, even though he might be really effective, and vice versa for a power play guy
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Why not? |
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Newbie
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 12:38 am Post subject: |
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| ajgeddes wrote: |
| ernie wrote: |
i think the plus/minus stat is interesting but i think it needs to reflect a few more factors to be meaningful, e.g.
1. power plays and penalty killing... a guy who kills penalties is probably not going to have a great +/-, even though he might be really effective, and vice versa for a power play guy
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Why not? |
Am I on crack, or does powerplay/pk time not affect your plus minus?? |
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yingwenlaoshi
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 12:52 am Post subject: |
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You have to be even-strengthed or under-strengthed for your +/- to go up.
You have to be even or over-strengthed for it to go down. |
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