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| Would you rather have? |
| A lot of action with a large number of women but all one night stands? |
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14% |
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| A couple girlfriends, all putting out, but nothing serious? |
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33% |
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| Serial monogamy...but she has to sleep over really soon |
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| For the right woman...I could wait until she wanted to...as long as its not too long |
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20% |
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| Until we are married |
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Vicissitude
Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Location: Chef School
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| Bramble wrote: |
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| Is Justin Hale SPINOZA or what? |
I didn't think of that, but good call. |
I'm 99.9% certain of it.  Read the post history and you'll see how it seems exactly like him.
Hi, SPINOZA.  You've been a good lad lately - not getting into fights with me on here. That is, unless you have some other socks that we haven't discovered here yet.
I see you are getting really sick and tired of Korea and the expats. I'd say it's time to move on back to your island of stiff upper lips. |
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Vicissitude
Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Location: Chef School
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 8:52 am Post subject: |
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Many single mothers raise children excellently. |
I don't think you know what you're talking about. Raising just a single child properly is often more than a two person job. Many good parents often joke that mother nature should have required three people to procreate. |
The point stands. Single moms can and do do great jobs raising kids. It's an irrelevance in any case. I seek to father children and I will contribute substantially and positively to their lives. What I won�t do is play ball with monogamy. I do not find and never will find older women attractive. The evolutionary basis for this is that they are less fertile. By contrast, the reason why (chiefly rich and high status) men are attractive is because women find resources and status sexy (and also men as old as 92 can father a child). The extent to which men become infertile with age is totally minimal. So, what should I do? Have no sex life when I'm old? Screw that. I'm gonna take full advantage of being wealthy, handsome and athletic because younger chicks love all that. This is a perfectly natural instinct. I�m gonna have my cake and eat it!
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| Then you are not prepared to be a proper father. |
You're making the unwarranted, unfounded, arbitrary assumption that the only valid form of fathering involves monogamous intercourse with mom. There are millions of monogamous dads who are worse dads than me. Monogamous intercourse with mom is peripheral to good parenting.
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| Human men are not predetermined pieces of meat--they have free will. You don't have to operate like a rat or a squirrel. |
The point stands. Men, instinctively, seek to maximize their contribution to the genepool. By fathering children to different women, I am merely obeying natural selection. In evolution, older men and younger women go together like cigars and whiskey. We have free will only to an extent. We have a genetic heritage that is compelling. Which do you prefer - beef or pork? If beef, your choice to select a beef dish on a menu consisting of beef and pork dishes isn't much of a choice. With sexuality it's no different. I cannot help finding girls older than me unappealing, just as I've never been much of beetroot man. Had it fed to me as a kid and I just freakin hated it. Shame, as it's very healthy.
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| With your level of writing, one would think you would be able to recognize a bad argument when you write one. Many children would be "happy" to have a slob of a father who contributes minimally, but doesn't sexually abuse them. However, neither fit the proper role of a father. Neither should be fathering children. |
My position is this: I seek to father children and possibly with different women. I have the wherewithal, financial means, decency, motivation to contribute to all of such children's development.
Your position above is: slobs and sexually-abusive fathers shouldn't be fathering children.
No correlation whatsoever.
In any case, Bryan, I refuse to have an arbitrary set of values imposed on me. I own my life. |
You could have saved yourself all that typing and simply said, I wish to procreate as many bastards as possible because I'm a bastard myself and I see nothing wrong with that. |
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Justin Hale
Joined: 24 Nov 2007
Location: the Straight Talk Express
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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Vicissitude, I politely explained to a different poster that I am not a "sock" of anybody. Any posters reading my posts and comparing them to other posters are wasting their time. Perhaps if we could just stick to the point?? 
And is it possible that we can discuss these things without cheap shots, name-calling and ad-hominem? It's very disappointing to see considering we're all supposed to be not only educated but educators also! I was brought up with the belief that we win debates with a coherent and evidenced understanding of reality, not by malediction. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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| I can't believe that 7 out of 70 guys would actually want to wait until marriage. Are 7 chicks pretending to vote as guys or is the Muslim & Christian contingent here really that large? |
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nicholas_chiasson
Joined: 14 Jun 2007
Location: Samcheok
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:58 am Post subject: |
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| THis poll would indicate men are less sex crazed than people think. |
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Wurmwood
Joined: 13 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 7:06 am Post subject: |
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| If she were the right woman, I wouldn't have to wait too long because she'd want it, too. If I have to wait too long, she's not the right woman. |
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Scarlet13
Joined: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Changwon
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I don't believe that human sexuality is determined entirely by nature. Your culture plays a huge role in shaping your sexual practices. That being said I believe that each person must learn to identify what will work for them. Polygamy, polyandry, polyamorous, serial monogamy, monogamy etc. are all viable options for some people.
As long as people are honest and happy who cares anyway, just don't blame it on nature or evolution. That would mean that one situation would work for us all and that is simply not true.
And guys are just as capable of being single dads as women are...sheesh. |
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Draz
Joined: 27 Jun 2007
Location: Land of Morning Clam
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| I can't believe that 7 out of 70 guys would actually want to wait until marriage. Are 7 chicks pretending to vote as guys or is the Muslim & Christian contingent here really that large? |
I read it ("until we are married") as they would expect to have a lot of sex up until they got married, and then knew it would dry up completely, unless they were getting it on the side. |
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Beej
Joined: 05 Mar 2005
Location: Eungam Loop
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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| I like the one night stand option. If and only if the girls leave immediately after sex and dont hang around. |
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Wurmwood
Joined: 13 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Draz wrote: |
| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| I can't believe that 7 out of 70 guys would actually want to wait until marriage. Are 7 chicks pretending to vote as guys or is the Muslim & Christian contingent here really that large? |
I read it ("until we are married") as they would expect to have a lot of sex up until they got married, and then knew it would dry up completely, unless they were getting it on the side. |
Well, this IS Korea; there's a lotta Christians around.
I came to the realization recently that religious people have sex AFTER they get married whereas non-religious people have sex UNTIL they get married. |
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Justin Hale
Joined: 24 Nov 2007
Location: the Straight Talk Express
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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I don't believe that human sexuality is determined entirely by nature. Your culture plays a huge role in shaping your sexual practices. That being said I believe that each person must learn to identify what will work for them. Polygamy, polyandry, polyamorous, serial monogamy, monogamy etc. are all viable options for some people.
As long as people are honest and happy who cares anyway, just don't blame it on nature or evolution. That would mean that one situation would work for us all and that is simply not true.
And guys are just as capable of being single dads as women are...sheesh. |
Is there a counter-example to heterosexual male sexuality being attracted to youth and fertility? And a counterexample to women being attracted to status and resources? That's been my contention and to a massive extent, we, sexually and in many other ways, act in slavery to millennia of natural selection. Men generally don't find old grannies attractive and women in their 30s generally don't actively seek 22 year old guys. The reason is that guys who find old grannies attractive have had a relatively small impact on the gene pool (so too women who like guys 15 years younger than them), most unlike homosexual males and pedophiles, who have indeed reproduced in significant number despite the seeming evolutionary dead end to their sexual preferences.
Note: I do of course acknowledge that there are other influences on sexuality - social, upbringing, and stuff. But natural selection has a big say, eh. |
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endo
Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home
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My dream would be to have one beautiful wife that I would love and be able to confide in. A wife who would make a great mother to our children and generaly be there for me.
I would also want this wife to allow me to have several mistresses. Now I wouldn't flaunt these women to my wife and keep the affairs as private as possible.
But there would be an understanding between my wife and I.
Basically I want my queen with a harim. |
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Darashii
Joined: 08 Jan 2008
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| It's much harder to find the happy gals who just want to get laid without any commitment or pay |
Hmm... according to my research, you'd have to find a woman who's mature in personality and demeanor, yet has waited until her mid-20's to discover how awesome sex can be and craves to know more. ie, Me. Not offering myself directly, however. That'd be indecent. 
EDIT: And actually, I did proposition a guy recently, we did the deed, etc. I asked the more experienced women if there were rules for "f*ckbuddies", because in my mind, I was like "Well, can't I just call him whenever I feel like it and if he's up for it, then it happens?" But the ladies think that even if I do simply want to have sex for the sake of sex, that I'm expected to follow the usual game of cat-and-mouse. In other words, I can't call him "too often" or I shouldn't seem "too needy [for sex]" because guys still prefer to chase and he'll lose interest [in sex for the sake of sex] and so it'll be ruined. Sure, he "just wants to have sex with me", but in reality, he's still going to treat me like a girlfriend/girl who's interested in having more.
For the first time in my life, I was accused of being "too mature" about sex.
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| Most women want to marry while they are in their 20s; it's the guys that want to marry later. |
Can I get an "amen"?
EDIT: And, for the record, I prefer a young buck if I'm supposed to spend the rest of my life with him.
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| Are 7 chicks pretending to vote as guys or is the Muslim & Christian contingent here really that large? |
Why'd it have to be "chicks"? Men are the ones who invented "no sex 'til marriage." |
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Wurmwood
Joined: 13 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 3:53 am Post subject: |
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Men generally don't find old grannies attractive and women in their 30s generally don't actively seek 22 year old guys. |
You'd think women in their 30's might go for guys in their 20's considering women reach their sexual peak in their 30's and men level off in their late teens. |
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Justin Hale
Joined: 24 Nov 2007
Location: the Straight Talk Express
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:49 am Post subject: |
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Men generally don't find old grannies attractive and women in their 30s generally don't actively seek 22 year old guys. |
You'd think women in their 30's might go for guys in their 20's considering women reach their sexual peak in their 30's and men level off in their late teens. |
Really? Women's fertility peaks around the age of 23-24, and often deteriorates after 30. In the mid-30s their market value plummets.
You're right about teenage males of course, a fact acknowledged in this scientific paper, though note:
"quite ironically, the fact that as men reach their middle ages and later years they require foreplay for stimulation as well as intimacy (not clearly a requirement for younger men) often leads to what is described by the female partner as an improvement in the sexual performance of their mate as they get older". |
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