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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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Thats actually a good point steroidmaximus: I've met some very cool and welcoming koreans here- that've all spent time in London or America. They said they were welcomed there and wanted to treat foreigners visiting their country the same way.
Generally its the koreans that've never been out of korea, and never will, that are closed minded and behave badly. same in any country.
however its a different matter when they're in big touristy groups, like in Thailand. And I've met plenty of idiot lone ajoshi backpackers in Australia- that nobody else liked either...
depends on the individual.. |
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SuperFly
Joined: 09 Jul 2003
Location: In the doghouse
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| Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2003 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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| I actually thought I would do the same thing when I got home Rapier. Then I found myself standing in a line at the grocery store behind a Korean grandmother and grandfather. They were having a hard time communicating with the cashier in regards to the price of vegatables so I offered my help in my broken Korean. I helped them (through some miracle) and they looked happy. That made me happy. I smiled all day long and I thought it was pretty cool. |
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matthewwoodford
Joined: 01 Oct 2003
Location: Location, location, location.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2003 10:27 am Post subject: |
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| itaewonguy wrote: |
well from the way I see them treat Americans here I would love to organize a few bandits and start burning flags and pictures of koreans on fire and chant out HANG GUK go home!!
but I am not so STUPID or ignorant as they are!
anyone see BBC news today? see the warm welcome donald got?
koreans burning flags and burning pictures of him.. koreans were in good form again!!! |
Can't knock them for that. There must be plenty of Americans who burn pictures of him too. Oh but they don't get a lot of coverage do they?
Off topic (how appropriate!): What do you think of herding protesters into 'free speech zones' itaewonguy?
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matthewwoodford
Joined: 01 Oct 2003
Location: Location, location, location.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2003 10:30 am Post subject: |
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| SuperFly wrote: |
| I actually thought I would do the same thing when I got home Rapier. Then I found myself standing in a line at the grocery store behind a Korean grandmother and grandfather. They were having a hard time communicating with the cashier in regards to the price of vegatables so I offered my help in my broken Korean. I helped them (through some miracle) and they looked happy. That made me happy. I smiled all day long and I thought it was pretty cool. |
That's cool. I feel like I should return the many kindnesses shown to me by Koreans by being a good host to Korean visitors over here...Haven't seen any who needed my help though!
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tokki
Joined: 26 Jul 2003
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| I met a lot of Koreans in Rome. We stayed in a Korean mimbak and everyone was really nice. They were all very young though, early 20s, and I guess the time they spent travelling really influenced them a lot because they really didnt behave like the stereotypical Korean. Ofcourse, stereotypes are just that. Stereotypes. The bad rep Koreans get mostly comes from the ajossi who has never been out of Korea and doesnt know anything about the world outside Korea. |
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Mr. Pink
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2003 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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| matko wrote: |
You can take the Korean out of Korea, but you can't take Korea out of the Korean. |
This is probably one of the truest things to ever be posted on Dave's forums.
I am not sure what I would do, buy a few years ago I went to Singapore. My friend took me to the Westen Hotel as there is a cool bar on the top floor. We get into the elevator with some Korean ladies. They were talking at what seemed like the top of their voices. Sing. people are like westerners it seems, they dont talk in elevators. As we are leaving the elevator I said to my friend, "See those two girls, they are Koreans...you can see the type of rudeness I put up with over there." It was funny to see the reaction on the Korean ladies faces. Like mastercard says: PRICELESS. |
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Jensen
Joined: 30 Mar 2003
Location: hippie hell
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2003 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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My perspective is a little different as I had Korean roommates, taught Koreans in ESL classes, and married a Korean woman (only Korean girl I ever dated though) before I visited or worked in Korea. If you watch your home-culture through "Korean eyes" you see that, or at least I felt this way, a lot of stuff Americans do without thinking is just as rude (and possibly stupid) as anything Koreans will do. Just different is all.
Best way of pointing it out is to do like the first post says, fire it right back. Satire is a great educational tool.
Out here in the boonies, Koreans are starting to move in and buy up convenience stores. Some of them are friendly and I've helped tutor their kids and shared meals, etc. But I've met a number who freeze up and turn pale when I try to talk Korean with them...my Korean isn't great but I can talk for god's sake. These people turn pale, look to the side, and wave their hands and say "no, no..." One time I found out later I had been mistaken for a INS agent, but the other cases I can't figure it out. My severe halitosis maybe? |
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Mashimaro
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: location, location
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 1:25 am Post subject: |
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| But I've met a number who freeze up and turn pale when I try to talk Korean with them... |
Reminds me of a book I read about a foreigner travelling through Japan 20 years ago.. He spoke fluent Japanese. He would get turned away from little hotels & stuff because of his white skin.. He'd be talking to them for a while in Japanese, and then he'd ask 'Why won't you have me?' They'd say 'Because you can't speak Japanese!' He'd say, we've been speaking Japanese for the last five minutes!!
Strange that a white face speaking an asian language gets a 'does not compute' error from the native speaking brain of some people. |
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Homer
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| Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 6:48 am Post subject: |
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how caveman of you all.....very nice and then you of course turn around and cry to high heaven about a stare..selective outrage is so entertaining..  |
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Mr. Pink
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China
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| Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 6:51 am Post subject: |
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| Homer wrote: |
| how caveman of you all.....very nice and then you of course turn around and cry to high heaven about a stare..selective outrage is so entertaining.. |
I find staring back more fun than complaining about it. In fact I bet some wierd adashi's think I am even more wierd because I keep staring them back...
Now if you want to know selective outrage, that is the drunk adashi that urinates on your shoes, or passes out on you on the subway...hasn't happened to me thank god, but I can see why people complain when it does happen to them. |
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Ilsanman
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea
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| Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 7:09 am Post subject: yes |
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I have to agree about the speaking korean thing. My friends can understand me because they expect it, but when I surprise a korean with even a simple sentence, usually I have to repeat myself a few times.
Some people even answer me in english, if I ask in Korean. |
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matko
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: in a world of hurt!
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| Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 7:09 am Post subject: |
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| tokki wrote: |
| I met a lot of Koreans in Rome. We stayed in a Korean mimbak and everyone was really nice. They were all very young though, early 20s, and I guess the time they spent travelling really influenced them a lot because they really didnt behave like the stereotypical Korean. Ofcourse, stereotypes are just that. Stereotypes. The bad rep Koreans get mostly comes from the ajossi who has never been out of Korea and doesnt know anything about the world outside Korea. |
No.
The bad rep comes from the 20 something Korean (usually male) who are some of the most narrow minded students I have ever taught.
Not just my opinion. It is the opinion of EVERY single teacher I have ever worked with in Canada and abroad who has ever taught Koreans.
It is also the opinion of almost every other student from foreign countries who have studied with them.
I wouldn't even bother posting this if the opinions weren't so overwhelming!
I don't hate Koreans. I actually like them and consider many VERY close friends.
They are just rude and narrow minded. Not just by North American Standards, but by South American, European and Asian standards as well. |
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Jensen
Joined: 30 Mar 2003
Location: hippie hell
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| Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 9:29 am Post subject: Re: yes |
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| Ilsanman wrote: |
| I have to agree about the speaking korean thing. My friends can understand me because they expect it, but when I surprise a korean with even a simple sentence, usually I have to repeat myself a few times... |
Yeah, between the language-proficiency and/or accent issue and the shock at hearing Korean when they were expecting to hear English, easy to understand why Korean/non-native Korean conversations in the states would start out with a slight lurch.
With most folks it's just a speed bump...but there's some that I described earlier that just FREAK. I don't understand the fear factor...they look like cornered animals. Maybe they're afraid because of some flaky immigration status...or maybe they're nuts? A certain minority of Korean immigrants no doubt have mental problems...and somehow all of them end up working convenience store counters in small American towns? Maybe they don't fit in back home and it's the only job they can get here. Kinda like the EFL-teaching population in Korea?  |
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kiwiboy_nz_99
Joined: 05 Jul 2003
Location: ...Enlightenment...
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I'll treat them the same as I treat everyone everywhere, with curtesy and respect until they give me reason to do otherwise. I'm not looking to continue the cycle by inflicting what has happened to me here onto others.
I like people, stuff, women, and tickets...
That's it, see ya |
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buddy bradley
Joined: 24 Aug 2003
Location: The Beyond
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| Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 11:23 am Post subject: |
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| I like people, stuff, women, and tickets... |
Suck, suck.
I need approval.
From others.
To fit in.
Cunt. |
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