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cbclark4

Joined: 20 Aug 2006 Location: Masan
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Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 9:02 pm Post subject: Nuclear Rights for Iran - Sarkozy |
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Sarkozy: Arabs have nuclear right
MONDAY, JANUARY 14, 2008 22:04 MECCA TIME
Nicolas Sarkozy has said that Arab countries should have the right to
develop nuclear energy.
However, the French president said that right should not be extended to
Iran until the government in Tehran has proved definitively that it does
not intend to acquire nuclear weapons.
Sarkozy told Al Jazeera in the Qatari capital Doha on Monday: "In 40
years from now there will be no oil left and in 100 years no more gas,
nuclear power will replace those energy sources ... It is the energy of the
future.
"So, [why] should Arab countries be banned from using this energy?"
"That's why we say there is no reason to prevent Arab countries from
using nuclear energy for civilian and peaceful purposes."
Sarkozy is currently on a tour of Gulf countries as he attempts to
consolidate French political and economic ties in the region.
Distribution deal
"It would be giving credit to the current Iranian regime if civilian nuclear
energy is only used by western democracies," he said.
"France tells Iran 'give up your race for a nuclear weapon - it's a risk and
you don't really need it'. And, if you [Iran] stop the race for a nuclear
weapon, you would have access to civilian nuclear power."
Sarkozy's latest comments came as officials revealed Areva, the French
nuclear reactor manufacturer, has signed a $700 million electricity
distribution and transmission deal with Qatar.
French power firm EDF also signed a memorandum with Qatar "to engage
discussions on co-operations in the areas of nuclear power production
and renewable energy generation," the Reuters news agency reported.
Sarkozy is also due to sign a nuclear co-operation deal with the UAE, the
next stop of his tour, on Tuesday.
France generates the majority of its own energy from nuclear reactors
and has been actively seeking deals with Arab countries such as Libya
and Egypt.
Several Gulf countries are exploring the option of nuclear energy despite
having large oil and gas reserves.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/45A99F21-B8D7-49A6-964A-9D563F315DEE.htm |
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Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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Nicolas Sarkozy has said that Arab countries should have the right to develop nuclear energy.
However, the French president said that right should not be extended to Iran until the government in Tehran has proved definitively that it does not intend to acquire nuclear weapons. |
I agree with the first paragraph -- and I think most do or would. I would extend this to "anyone who wants and is capable of it" should have this right. The second paragraph: there is the rub. |
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ddeubel

Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 12:59 am Post subject: |
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Sarkozy loses more respect by the minute.
How do you "definitively prove" an intention? What political fence sitting and diplomatic obfuscation.
I think that no country should be allowed to have nuclear "weapons". All countries should be monitored by the IAEA and have membership powers in parity with others in the agency. There shouldn't be any litmus test of "intentions". That is just a code word for "if we approve of you politically".
The greatest problem presently is the American intransigence on the issue. Hypocricy that should be declared and have that govt made into the biggest shame holders in the world. They continue to develop and test nuclear arms. They hold the ability (through accident, design or will) to blow the world up thousands of times over. Yet they "pretend" to be peacemakers and look out for humanity's self interest when it comes to nuclear weapons. Who is fooling who?
This world will only get safer if all governments are pressured by their people to lay down their bombs of destruction. Pie in the sky? NO, simply what has to happen if we value our children. The American position is hogwash and it allows states such as Iran to pursue nuclear arming, either overtly or covertly. If they have it -- why shouldn't we?
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Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:11 am Post subject: |
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ddeubel wrote: |
How do you "definitively prove" an intention? |
Tehran could cooperate and stop resisting international inspections; Tehran could drop its belligerent attitude, stop running covert ops in Lebanon and Iraq, and make reconciliationist gestures towards Israel in a broader effort to contribute to a lasting settlement of the Palestinian issue. Etc., etc., etc.
But it probably will not.
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...That is just a code word for "if we approve of you politically". |
That is right. So what? |
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ddeubel

Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:18 am Post subject: |
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Tehran could cooperate and stop resisting international inspections; Tehran could drop its belligerent attitude, stop running covert ops in Lebanon and Iraq, and make reconciliationist gestures towards Israel in a broader effort to contribute to a lasting settlement of the Palestinian issue. Etc., etc., etc.
But it probably will not. |
Gopher, I'll say this sincerely for once. Where do you get YOUR news?
Iran has followed all that has been asked regarding inspections (as did Iraq ). I agree they could do more to foster peace in the region but it is hard with a nation state gun running and invading in every border region.
But where do you get your news from? Or is that the same kind of "we don't approve of you politically"? Which in essence is the real problem with the American realpolitik. American doesn't know how to deal with those who have a differing political outlook, one that is not business leaning and one that is not "compliant". I pity this kind of approach which does not at all respect the sovereignty of a nation and the right to self determination (in the long run and despite them having a despicable regime )
Further, to my first point. HOW CAN ANYONE TRUST THE PRESENT AMERICAN GOVT SEEING THE PREVIOUS AMOUNT OF LYING AND MISINFORMATION IT HAS COATED WORLD RELATIONS IN? How?
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:59 am Post subject: |
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ddeubel wrote: |
Iran has followed all that has been asked regarding inspections |
That is just not true. Only in the past year has Iran opened up its facilities to the IAEA. The IAEA itself had been complaining about Iran's heel-dragging since 2004. |
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ddeubel

Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 6:21 am Post subject: |
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Kuros,
Iran has kept all commitments with "international" organizations vis a vis inspection of its facilities excepting a few minor delays.
The IAEA, just like in the case of Iraq, always in reports errs on the side of caution and never declares in total, a nation is completely compliant and free of non aggression. They just can't ever be certain so they say so. Further, US. pressure and diplomatic suasion of this body was and is the continued cause of dissention and delay. But for you to claim that these statements mean there was/is some sort of Iranian gamesmanship is just partisan American hogwash.
What more do you expect - Bush's daughters to patrol the nuclear facilities and be feted like wonderkin?
The real issue is what El Baradei outlines.
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ELBARADEI: Well, the issue is very complex, Jamie, because as a matter of law Iran has the right to do all the nuclear activities, including enriching uranium, but that�s another issue where I have been bringing that issue to the attention of the international community saying in fact that we need to revisit the whole non-proliferation regime that not Iran or any other country should continue to have a full exclusive right to enrich uranium. |
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Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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ddeubel wrote: |
...those who have a differing political outlook. |
U.S.-Iranian differences run far deeper than this. I cannot imagine that you do not know this. And your proclivity to always and wholly fault the Americans for the differences -- while the Iranians remain misunderstood nice guys who always finish last -- betrays enough about your worldview that I feel confirmed that you remain entirely closed to new information and changing your mind on any of it.
Yet I still respond. Last day of winter break, you see. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:11 pm Post subject: |
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which does not at all respect the sovereignty of a nation and the right to self determination (in the long run and despite them having a despicable regime )
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One question: Does Iran respect the sovereignty and right to self determination of Lebanon?
Don't muddle your answer by refering to what other countries do. Iran is the issue. Focus on one problem at a time. |
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ddeubel

Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:53 pm Post subject: |
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One question: Does Iran respect the sovereignty and right to self determination of Lebanon?
Don't muddle your answer by refering to what other countries do. Iran is the issue. Focus on one problem at a time. |
No.
Gopher. Thank you for again condescending towards another's opinion. I can also trust that you have read my posts time and time and time again always saying how much I despise the Iranian regime. Also the posts I time and time and time and time again, qualify my arguement that when one speaks of "America" one speaks not of her people but the government which of late is completely disenfranchised from the "people". You of all people should know that though I do apply special attention to "America" it is warranted given the government and military's prolific meddling, warmongering, size, economic weight and most importantly - ideological leanings..... Still doesn't mean I approve of the Iranian govt in the least.
Why must I continue to say such things? How thick are the skulls of some people?
Also, are you saying that the present day American government operates on emotion and historic ill feelings and that this justifies its untruthful and aggressive approach towards Iran? If so, another black eye on the administration.
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Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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Clarifications on your refs to "America," "the American govt," "the present W. Bush Administration."
The American govt represents the American people. The American people, or at least those who vote, elect it at the national, state, and local levels. The American people pay taxes, respect laws, and legitimate the American govt in a million ways in their everyday lives. Your line is fine. It derives from Chomsky and others on the far left who aim to discredit the American govt, hoping to hasten its overthrow. I disagree with it but it is not an implausible line. You are free and you ought to be free to articulate such positions. But please do not state it as uncontested fact. It sounds like propaganda and not argument when you do so. Like Ron Paul supporters, those who believe this line state and restate it again and again, desperately trying to wish it true.
Further, criticize the W. Bush Administration all you like. Many of us do -- although we tend to go about it differently and speak in different tones-of-voice, etc. But, again, please remember that many Americans elected and continue to support the administration. W. Bush is legally in the Oval Office, unpopular and hated by his critics or not.
All of this is well and good but ultimately, as Ya-ta Boy points out, entirely irrelevant to the Iranian nuclear-weapons issue. We, that is, we the international community, ought to do our best to prevent Tehran's acquiring nukes and the consequences that would follow (namely, a sudden nuclear-armed Middle-East and an almost certain Israeli preemptive war against Iran that might just lead to a world-wide conflict). I do not speak in the universal good inasmuch as my own country and its allies' interests. But that in-and-of-itself is insufficient to merely dismiss this view offhand, as you tend to do, speaking, as you usually claim to do, in the univeral interest. (There is no universal interest, Ddeubel.) |
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