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NZ is more racist than Korea, IMHO
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mervsdamun

Joined: 06 Jun 2006
Location: Seoul

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:04 am Post subject:

Joe Bradley wrote:

Otus wrote:

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The interesting issue, which only got touched on a little is why Kiwiland is getting singled out for this unoriginal phenomena. Think I know the answer ...

Sadly, you're probably right that NZ isn't significantly worse than, say, the UK, Australia, Canada, or the US. It's largely a Western "culture" thing. But the problem with NZ, as some have pointed out on this thread, is that Koreans (and Asians in general) have been fed this crap from successive governments here and our departments of tourism and immigration that NZers are friendly and welcoming. They are not for the most part - that is, unless you look the same as them and speak the same language.

Much of the violence that Asian tourists and immigrants get exposed to here happens because they'd naively believed that NZ was a safe country. This is what they were told! Besides, what young Korean backpacker excitedly on his way here can possibly imagine what it's like to be confronted by a group of skinheads?

I'm surprised there hasn't been an expose of NZ's clean, green, and safe myths on Korean TV.

Joe, I think you hit the nail on the head. NZ is not necessarily worse than other countries (though the fact that it�s isolated and so small means the migrants do struggle to find comfort zones) � it�s the rather inaccurate picture painted by your government.

NZ has always depended on its clean and green image to sell its products overseas, and the portrayal of Kiwis as a friendly lot for the sake of its tourism industry. However, I think when the NZIS started using all this to create a migration industry, that�s where it crosses the line. This is mostly for two reasons [1] most NZrs don�t really want to see their country flooded with foreigners, houses to go up in price etc. [2] most skilled migrants don�t want to end up in a country where their not appreciated and are underutilized � and only end up losing money on immigration fees, moving etc.

The moral of the story is, migrants should not be used be used by those in power to balance books. As things stand right now, the NZ economy does not need highly skilled professionals � however, the bad word that is being spread around NZ may have negative consequences for its all-important image.

There were many things I enjoyed about NZ but the racism, which in my opinion is on the increase, is an extremely negative aspect that many NZrs in the country just don�t want to acknowledge. And I�m talking about all forms of racism� including the subtle forms a lot of people brush off as �indifference� or strong �sense of humor�.

mervsdamun

Joined: 06 Jun 2006
Location: Seoul

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:18 am Post subject:

Ilsanman wrote:

More or less the point I was trying to get across.

Often, smart people who move their family will send the main breadwinner there first to secure employment and a place to live. The rest of the family will follow after a few months.

Gee, what a concept!!!

ceesgetdegrees wrote:

A little research go's a long long way. who the hell uproots there family and moves to a new country without being 100% sure of being able to secure employment.

Well, to give you an idea why this might be the case with NZ:
http://www.expatexposed.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=97

And the reality:
http://www.expatexposed.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=113

jamielives2000

Joined: 01 Feb 2004

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:51 am Post subject:

I lived in Nelson for 24 years and it sucks. I think the video is pretty much spot on, in that there is a lot of violence in Nelson. All the things described in the video and in this thread have happened to me personally. Bottles thrown from cars, abuse from cars, people starting fighting randomly in the street for no reason. And I am about as white as you can get. I think Nelson and NZ in general are racist. But I think the main problem is general fXckwittedness and retardation of large parts of the population. Poor white trash mutants, Maoris and Islanders who just are happy to cause problems with anyone for any reason.

ceesgetdegrees

Joined: 12 Jul 2007

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:00 am Post subject:

mervsdamun wrote:

Ilsanman wrote:

ceesgetdegrees wrote:

A little research go's a long long way. who the hell uproots there family and moves to a new country without being 100% sure of being able to secure employment.

Well, to give you an idea why this might be the case with NZ:
http://www.expatexposed.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=97

And the reality:
http://www.expatexposed.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=113

I'd love to see what some of the folk posting would say about living in asian countries, one even described christchurch as having "environmental problems" wtf? The south island can be a rough place, it's primarily farming country with farming attitudes regardless of how cosmopolitain christchurch wants to be. The locals can be tough nuts to crack but it's possible to find your niche there if you are willing to have a go. Yes, there are rednecks, rugby heads and retards but also a lot of cool people. As to not finding work, thats the sort of stuff you have to have 100% nailed down before you make the move.

ceesgetdegrees

Joined: 12 Jul 2007

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:01 am Post subject:

jamielives2000 wrote:

I lived in Nelson for 24 years and it sucks. I think the video is pretty much spot on, in that there is a lot of violence in Nelson. All the things described in the video and in this thread have happened to me personally. Bottles thrown from cars, abuse from cars, people starting fighting randomly in the street for no reason. And I am about as white as you can get.

I think Nelson and NZ in general are racist. But I think the main problem is general fXckwittedness and retardation of large parts of the population. Poor white trash mutants, Maoris and Islanders who just are happy to cause problems with anyone for any reason.

And phuck you too dickhead.

dalpengi

Joined: 08 Dec 2006

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:04 am Post subject:

jamielives2000 wrote:

I think Nelson and NZ in general are racist. But I think the main problem is general fXckwittedness and retardation of large parts of the population. Poor white trash mutants, Maoris and Islanders who just are happy to cause problems with anyone for any reason.

I think Maori and the pacific islanders are often among the friendliest people you will meet in NZ but admittedly a lot of them are also involved in a lot of the violence, along with the large numbers of rednecks.
I think you are right when you say it is �general fXckwittedness and retardation�. I think for a lot of them it is a way to release whatever they are bottling up and just a way to deal with boredom which in NZ is as plentiful as the beautiful scenery.

dalpengi

Joined: 08 Dec 2006

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:18 am Post subject:

ceesgetdegrees wrote:

mervsdamun wrote:

Ilsanman wrote:

ceesgetdegrees wrote:

A little research go's a long long way. who the hell uproots there family and moves to a new country without being 100% sure of being able to secure employment.

Well, to give you an idea why this might be the case with NZ:
http://www.expatexposed.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=97

And the reality:
http://www.expatexposed.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=113

I live in Christchurch and in winter the air quality is dreadful. The smoke literally soaks into your damp clothing. It�s not Seoul or Beijing, and is about a bad as Changwon but this would come as a huge shock to anyone fed the �green and clean� thing. Wintersmith, the author, has been to quite a few Asian countries but the important thing each time she knew what she was getting herself into. The reason why she decided to setup the website because she felt there was lack of info regarding some of the more challenging aspects of living in NZ.

As for work, you are right that it should be nailed down before you move but wouldn�t you get carried away if this happened to you (I quote the author from that page):

Quote:

In retrospect, what moved the country from our short list to the only list was the aggressive immigration campaign. No other country was wooing migrants like New Zealand was, and the statement we heard loud and clear was that they wanted talented, educated people to come and be Kiwis. The country was particularly eager to have anyone with an IT background to relocate to the "Canterbury IT hub", in Christchurch, and rewarded those willing to do so with extra points. I was taken aback by the speed with which we were picked from the pool (within 2 weeks) and received our permanent residency (within a month, I think); in fact, we had our PR before the planned expedition trip to NZ took place. The impression we had in May 2005 was of a progressive, efficient little nation inviting us in with open arms after a rigorous vetting process."

Wow, can imagine being given permanent residency before even setting a foot in NZ. Wouldn�t that sway your decision?

ceesgetdegrees

Joined: 12 Jul 2007

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:15 pm Post subject:

dalpengi wrote:

Wow, can imagine being given permanent residency before even setting a foot in NZ. Wouldn�t that sway your decision?

Well it comes down to the chicken or the egg argument. Is the NZ govt. wrong for rushing through PR visa's or are the immigrants wrong for not 100% securing employment. The guy said he thought Christchurch was the IT hub of NZ, based on what? Chch's marketing campaigns? I couldn't read that site after the first few posts, way too much moaning. Thousands of people migrate to NZ every year and are happy to stay. Dunedin, my home town, which is towards the bottom of the south island has a thriving chinese community.

Roch

Joined: 24 Apr 2003
Location: Seoul

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:31 pm Post subject: Re: Racism in NZ.

chris_J2 wrote:

Maybe 'roch' got caught up in this, in 2002? I have no idea why he was (allegedly) attacked in 2001.

Tragic Death of Two Middle School Girls unleashes orgy of hate USFK / US

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On June 13th 2002, during the period of the World Cup fever in Korea, an USFK armored vehicle accidentally ran over two middle school girls on a road near Paju north of Seoul near the DMZ.

The two girls were going to a birthday party. They were walking along the edge of a two lane highway with a grassy bank rising just off to their right. The tank was the third or fourth in line in the column - meaning two tanks had already passed the girls. The driver of the tank that killed them did not hear the spotter warning him about the girls due to a faulty headset. The two girls were walking with their heads down and fingers in their ears because of the noise the column of tanks was making. It was a tragic event.

http://usinkorea.org/1st/TRAGEDY/index.html

Even Germans were being sworn at, by irate Koreans, mistaking them for Americans.

Yep, as did many, many other foreigners.

Roch

Joined: 24 Apr 2003
Location: Seoul

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:34 pm Post subject:

ceesgetdegrees wrote:

jamielives2000 wrote:

And phuck you too *beep*.

Remember Laogaiguk's words: You're either a liar or you asked for it!

Nelson sounds like many places I've lived in up they-uh in Canada.

mervsdamun

Joined: 06 Jun 2006
Location: Seoul

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:35 pm Post subject:

ceesgetdegrees wrote:

I couldn't read that site after the first few posts, way too much moaning.

So what makes you go on Dave's? Smile

kiwiduncan

Joined: 18 Jun 2007
Location: New Zealand

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:45 pm Post subject:

jamielives2000 wrote:

My hometown is Blenheim, just over the mountains from Nelson. Blenheim is smaller and whiter than Nelson, though we've become much more diverse in the last decade.

I've heard of some racist attacks in Blenheim too, but I'm happy to report that there was a real outpouring of support from the general public when a Korean restaurant owner had her windows broken, and local judges have come down pretty hard on racist thugs brought before them.

I believe our whitetrash boyracer culture in particular has a lot to do with the racism and thuggishness in New Zealand. The hoons in NZ pick on anyone who is a visible target, whether they are Asians, old people or just people on bikes. They sit in their cars boozing and getting high on each other's testorone, then go off to illegal burn-ups and other trouble. They think they are invincible in their cars, and beyond the laws. Their cars are like mini gang headquarters on wheels. Get them out of their cars and they'll be much less trouble.

The Hierophant

Joined: 13 Sep 2005

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:25 pm Post subject:

ceesgetdegrees wrote:

Dunedin, my home town, which is towards the bottom of the south island has a thriving chinese community.

I'm an Opoho boy myself (Opoho is a suburb of Dunedin for those reading). Dunedin is full of racist trash, especially anywhere South of the Octagon.

The Chinese community in Dunedin has been there since the Gold Rush in the nineteenth century. Many Chinese families have been in the region longer than a lot of European families, and yet they are still treated like foreign outsiders by the local 'whites'. Most of the young Dunedin Chinese I know/knew couldn't wait to leave.

ceesgetdegrees

Joined: 12 Jul 2007

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:34 pm Post subject:

The Hierophant wrote:

ceesgetdegrees wrote:

Dunedin, my home town, which is towards the bottom of the south island has a thriving chinese community.

You mean the Chins and the Sew-Hoys? Most of the young Dunedin Chinese I know couldn't wait to leave.

I'm an Opoho boy myself. Dunedin is full of racist bogans, especially anywhere South of the Octagon.

Yes the Chin's and the Sew hoy's. Most young people leave dunner's not just asian students. Theres sfa going on down there job wise which is a pity because it turly is a beautiful city. Yeah, there's a lot of bogans but as i stated in an earlier post, it's possible for asians to find there niche, Peter Chin has been the friggen mayor of dunners for the last four years and before him, sukhi turner an indian immigrant, this , in the deep south of racist old NZ, what a load of codswollop.

The Hierophant

Joined: 13 Sep 2005

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:40 pm Post subject:

ceesgetdegrees wrote:

(I edited my original post while you were writing your reply)

Two mayors of 'ethnic' ancestry does not a cosmopolitan city make. It's the day-in-day-out racism of the city that counts:
- The skinheads and bogans hanging around outside McDonalds throwing bottles and intimidating foreign students.
- The skanks in Holdens pulling up and yelling 'F**k off Gook!' to Asians walking home along Colombo street (disturbingly similar to what was protrayed in the vid at the start of this thread. I saw this happen several times and feel bad for the fact there was nothing I could do at the time).
- The racial cliques at Otago Boys' High School (where I went).
I could go on...

You're a patriotic guy ceesgetdegrees, but don't let that cloud your judgment.

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