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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Billy Pilgrim wrote:
Here's the problem: you watched Arirang. Look what happens when you do silly things like that.


I can only watch The Myth Buster guys trying to put a bullet through a rifle scope so many times before I'm like "i've seen this episode!"
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cruisemonkey



Joined: 04 Jul 2005
Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, Discovery Channel is good, however, the replays of every show ad nauseum can make one insane... but Arirang? ANYTHING is better than the crap on Arirang: Animal Planet, National Gegraphic, History Channel, Q Channel, BBC World, ABC, Living Asia Channel, Armed Forces Network, OCN, On, On Plus... hell, even the sappy movies they show on Hallmark or... wrestling! Wink
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cruisemonkey wrote:
Yeah, Discovery Channel is good, however, the replays of every show ad nauseum can make one insane... but Arirang? ANYTHING is better than the crap on Arirang: Animal Planet, National Gegraphic, History Channel, Q Channel, BBC World, ABC, Living Asia Channel, Armed Forces Network, OCN, On, On Plus... hell, even the sappy movies they show on Hallmark or... wrestling! Wink


I like the music video shows in the morning.

1) I have jargon to throw around in class "What is BETTER? Super Junior or Big Bang?"

2) I can have something to mock:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m28DJWlixFo
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itaewonguy



Joined: 25 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 12:00 am    Post subject: Re: Spot the Korean logical fallacy Reply with quote

mindmetoo wrote:


You mean it wasn't the whipping?



I watched a documentary on the construction of the pyramids..
and they said that the workers on the site werent slaves!
but actually locals. men and teenagers giving work by the pharoh.
building the pyramids was an honor and also provided an income to their familes..
still what im sure their were some slaves too..

but yeah arrirang and korean logic!
forgeddaboutit..
I use to work on arrirang, actually was on a show for a while had my own 20 minute segment! just about me., and logic is not really understoon by the korean crew..
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endo



Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home

PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 12:16 am    Post subject: Re: Spot the Korean logical fallacy Reply with quote

itaewonguy wrote:
mindmetoo wrote:


You mean it wasn't the whipping?



I watched a documentary on the construction of the pyramids..
and they said that the workers on the site werent slaves!
but actually locals. men and teenagers giving work by the pharoh.
building the pyramids was an honor and also provided an income to their familes..
still what im sure their were some slaves too..

but yeah arrirang and korean logic!
forgeddaboutit..
I use to work on arrirang, actually was on a show for a while had my own 20 minute segment! just about me., and logic is not really understoon by the korean crew..


What exactly did you do?
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ajgeddes



Joined: 28 Apr 2004
Location: Yongsan

PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 12:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

weatherman wrote:
The onion as we know it, wasn't in the traditional Korean diet. the traditional korean diet had pa, then, in the great food exchange of cultures meeting, the youngpa came in. You young-nom-sskies should know this.


Yangpa 양파 not youngpa 영파. 양 sorta means "western".
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ryouga013



Joined: 14 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:11 am    Post subject: Re: Spot the Korean logical fallacy Reply with quote

mindmetoo wrote:
I noticed Koreans eating Korean onions have failed to build any ancient wonders.


Not any ancient wonders but the North Koreans WERE fed onions


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryugyong_Hotel
http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=130967
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&t=k&ll=39.03659,125.730699&spn=0.002942,0.006781&t=k
http://wikimapia.org/125/

...until there were no more onions...
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stillnotking



Joined: 18 Dec 2007
Location: Oregon, USA

PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There isn't much dispute, really, archaeological research has shown conclusively that the pyramids were not built by slaves. They were built by skilled, well-paid, professional Egyptian workers.

Why does everyone believe the slave story? Because Hebrew cultural myth-making created the story of the captivity, the Exodus, etc., and one of the embellishments to that story was that Jewish slaves built the pyramids. (The pyramids were famous even in those days.) None of it is actually true; the Exodus story was made up out of whole cloth centuries after the fact, and the Egyptians didn't keep Jewish slaves in any numbers.
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stillnotking wrote:
There isn't much dispute, really, archaeological research has shown conclusively that the pyramids were not built by slaves. They were built by skilled, well-paid, professional Egyptian workers.

Why does everyone believe the slave story? Because Hebrew cultural myth-making created the story of the captivity, the Exodus, etc., and one of the embellishments to that story was that Jewish slaves built the pyramids. (The pyramids were famous even in those days.) None of it is actually true; the Exodus story was made up out of whole cloth centuries after the fact, and the Egyptians didn't keep Jewish slaves in any numbers.


An excellent point. There is zero historical evidence, aside from religious myth, that the jews were slaves in Egypt.
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tomato



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.

PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

According to this Website:

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/questionable-cause.html

this is a questionable cause fallacy.

I once met a Persian who defended the custom of women wearing veils.
He said that women should be attracted to men rather than men attracted to women.
He pointed out that men are attracted to women in our culture and our culture has a higher divorce rate.
Of course the two cultures differ in those two variables, but don't you think they differ in a few other variables also?

Related to this fallacy is the chicken-and-egg dilemma.
I have read a book which argued that magic is real, and that poverty is an unintended side effect of magic.
His evidence is that magic is practiced more in poor countries.

Let us call magic A.
Let us call poverty B.
The author claimed that A causes B.

But couldn't the people of poor countries resort to magic with hopes of alleviating their poverty?
In such a case, B would cause A.

Or couldn't lack of technology cause both magical practice and poverty?
In such a case, C would cause both A and B.

I've heard a joke about a person who claimed that peanuts were fattening.
The person asked, "Have you ever seen a skinny elephant?"

But that was a joke.
In the case which you mention, the argument is meant to be taken seriously.
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tomato



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.

PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you ever seen such slowpokes?
It took the children of Israel 40 years to reach the Holy Land from Egypt--
a distance of 200 miles.
That's 5 miles a year.

A giant turtle walks at a speed of .2 miles per hour.
That means a giant tortoise can travel that distance in 1000 hours.
If the children of Israel travelled 12 hours a day at the speed of a giant tortoise,
they could have made it in 3 months.

A snail slides at a speed of .03 miles per hour.
That means that a snail can travel that distance in 6667 hours.
Again assuming 12 hours a day,
they could have made it in 4 years.
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Ilsanman



Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea

PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Arirang is the devil!!

Seriously, such ignorance shouldn't even be allowed on TV>
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Justin Hale



Joined: 24 Nov 2007
Location: the Straight Talk Express

PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ajgeddes wrote:
weatherman wrote:
The onion as we know it, wasn't in the traditional Korean diet. the traditional korean diet had pa, then, in the great food exchange of cultures meeting, the youngpa came in. You young-nom-sskies should know this.


Yangpa 양파 not youngpa 영파. 양 sorta means "western".


I think 양 means Eurasia, hence 서양 and 동양

양 also can mean 'sheep' of course and numerous other things. Complete joke of a language. Laughing

I seek clarification (from a fluent English-speaker - not a Korean) about 양/Eurasia and also the nature of 파 because according to the dictionary, 파 is "a leek;a Welsh[spring] onion;a green onion" and doesn't appear to pertain to Korea or East Asia at all.
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah another great corporate video masquerading as real content on Arirang. Behold the Masai walking shoes. Probably the new earthshoes. You're probably seen these stores popping up around Seoul.

These shoes are claimed to help you walk like a Masai in Africa. Why? Well, see, Masai have very straight spines and low incidents of geriatric diseases (ummm probably because they don't live long enough to become geriatrics? I noticed since Koreans started wearing these shoes the threat of giant lobster attacks has been eliminated!)

But what! There's clinical evidence. They put a guy on a treadmill and measured calories burned etc at a Korean lab. First they measure him wearing normal runners. Then the Masai walking shoes. Wouldn't you know, when the guy is wearing the Masai walking shoes he burns more calories.
Hrm. Maybe because he knows he's wearing the Masai walking shoes so he walks more briskly?
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mindmetoo



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Arirang just advanced the old canard about Korea and seasons. The host states "not many nations have four distinct seasons like Korea!" How about all of them except for those in the tropics?

Oish. Look, Canadians aren't all running around telling each other there's something special about Canada because the Congo doesn't have 4 seasons. Geez.

Ever mention to a Korean that, like, your nation has four seasons and then they argue back "well, only Korea has 4 seasons of equal length" or some such quibbling.
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