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DrTommyTom



Joined: 18 Dec 2007
Location: Suwon, South Korea

PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 3:35 pm    Post subject: Need some advice for job offer Reply with quote

Hi all, I just would like some help in determining whether or not this is a good job offer to take...here are the details:


The name of the school: Oedae
Type of Students : Kindergarten /Elementary/Middle school student
Working hours a day : 6 hours
Working days a week : Mon - Friday
Payment :2.1million won
Operating hours : 10:00 a.m~ 6:00 p.m or 11:00a.m~7:30p.m (included lunch break, class preparation, break times etc..)
Overtime payment : 15000 won per 40mins
Class size: 10 students
Starting date:end of March , 2008
Type of Housing : Single accommodation(fully-furnished), 5mins on foot
Severance (equal to 1month's salary)
Vacation: Paid 10 days+ National holidays+ Sat+Sun
Health Insurance: 50%
Air fare : Provided
Current No of Foreign teachers:3
Current No of Korean teachers:3


Thanks to all those that reply...
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TheChickenLover



Joined: 17 Dec 2007
Location: The Chicken Coop

PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Far too low pay for such high hours. You could do nearly 20-40% more pay for 66% of the hours at a public school with more than 2 months vacation.

I would stronly advise against this position unless you were about to go broke tommorow & needed the money to keep yourself from starving.

Chicken
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Trevor



Joined: 16 Nov 2005

PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are three rules when looking at hagwon jobs:

1) Talk to current teachers
2) Talk to current teachers
3) Talk to current teachers

Ask the director for emails and phone numbers. If you can't get them, look elsewhere!

By the way, talking to the teacher you are replacing is not a good idea. That teacher may want you to come so they can get out of their contract.

If you are not satisfied, then take Chicken's advice and apply for a public school job. Public school jobs have a higher average satisfaction rate than hagwons.
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PRagic



Joined: 24 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Low pay
Low overtime rates
Long hours

Also, why do you want to teach kids? Do you NOT want to be in a large city?

Doesn't look too good to me.
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moosehead



Joined: 05 May 2007

PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trevor wrote:
There are three rules when looking at hagwon jobs:

1) Talk to current teachers
2) Talk to current teachers
3) Talk to current teachers

Ask the director for emails and phone numbers. If you can't get them, look elsewhere!

By the way, talking to the teacher you are replacing is not a good idea. That teacher may want you to come so they can get out of their contract.

If you are not satisfied, then take Chicken's advice and apply for a public school job. Public school jobs have a higher average satisfaction rate than hagwons.


current teachers:

1) often lie to protect their own jobs
2) often lie because they could care less, misery loves company
3) often lie because someone lied to them
4) often lie because they are pissed and want someone else to feel what they feel

basically, the rule is ask for the FT's email and phone number just to see if the hakwon is willing to provide it. after that, take whatever you are told with a grain of salt - I've been seriously burned by previous teachers and I KNOW I'm not the only one!

you've been forewarned - ok? Shocked
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cbclark4



Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Masan

PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Need some advice for job offer Reply with quote

DrTommyTom wrote:
Hi all, I just would like some help in determining whether or not this is a good job offer to take...here are the details:


The name of the school:Oedae
Type of Students : Kindergarten /Elementary/Middle school student
Working hours a day : 6 hours
Working days a week : Mon - Friday
Payment :2.1million won
Operating hours : 10:00 a.m~ 6:00 p.m or 11:00a.m~7:30p.m (included lunch break, class preparation, break times etc..)
Overtime payment : 15000 won per 40mins
Class size: 10 students
Starting date:end of March , 2008
Type of Housing : Single accommodation(fully-furnished), 5mins on foot
Severance (equal to 1month's salary)
Vacation: Paid 10 days+ National holidays+ Sat+Sun
Health Insurance: 50%
Air fare : Provided
Current No of Foreign teachers:3
Current No of Korean teachers:3


Thanks to all those that reply...


Same rate as Changwon Public schools, less vacation.
Public school O/T is 20000 plus, I get 25000 (I'm in Masan).
I keep daytime hours. Many soft benefits.
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DrTommyTom



Joined: 18 Dec 2007
Location: Suwon, South Korea

PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks for the responses...the overall consensus appears negative and I should probably settle for something else...I knew this would be kinda shady but I needed some confirmation. I am a newbie with just a B.A and minimal teaching exp. but I have a sixth sense about when I about to get to screwed...Also, I would like to be in a large city but I hate pollution and love parks and soccer fields...Play alot of soccer...Changwon city seems like a good fit...decent size city...possibly less pollution than other large/larger cities in South Korea...and it has alot of parks from what I see on their website...also, it has 3 pro-soccer teams in the area, and I am hoping that I can at least train with one team or play some competitive soccer once I get to south korea...

any suggestions on cities with soccer fields, parks, a good soccer fan base and most importantly with moderate (not severe like in Seoul) to little or no pollution?...and for a newbie in my position, what is acceptable and unacceptable to accept as a contract offer?...I have looked over many posts and there seems to be some different opinions on this...and I hope i can get some vets to clear this up for me...

thanks in advance for any responses to this post...
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hari seldon



Joined: 05 Dec 2004
Location: Incheon

PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Need some advice for job offer Reply with quote

DrTommyTom wrote:
Hi all, I just would like some help in determining whether or not this is a good job offer to take...
What country do you hail from? I ask because the contract makes no mention of pension benefits which are your legal right.

Also, you've got a lot of leverage in this job market so you should be able to negotiate the starting pay (and O.T. pay) upward.
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DrTommyTom



Joined: 18 Dec 2007
Location: Suwon, South Korea

PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im from canada
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moosehead



Joined: 05 May 2007

PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DrTommyTom wrote:
thanks for the responses...the overall consensus appears negative and I should probably settle for something else...I knew this would be kinda shady but I needed some confirmation. I am a newbie with just a B.A and minimal teaching exp. but I have a sixth sense about when I about to get to screwed...Also, I would like to be in a large city but I hate pollution and love parks and soccer fields...Play alot of soccer...Changwon city seems like a good fit...decent size city...possibly less pollution than other large/larger cities in South Korea...and it has alot of parks from what I see on their website...also, it has 3 pro-soccer teams in the area, and I am hoping that I can at least train with one team or play some competitive soccer once I get to south korea...

any suggestions on cities with soccer fields, parks, a good soccer fan base and most importantly with moderate (not severe like in Seoul) to little or no pollution?...and for a newbie in my position, what is acceptable and unacceptable to accept as a contract offer?...I have looked over many posts and there seems to be some different opinions on this...and I hope i can get some vets to clear this up for me...

thanks in advance for any responses to this post...



it's my understanding after K's last appearance in the World Cup (2006) they changed the rules for their pro team that no foreigners would ever be allowed to play -

if you want to know more about soccer here - just post a topic to that in the Gen Discussion forum - there's a LOT of soccer fans here - and if that's really your interest, you might want to try another country that's less xenophobic
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