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Troll_Bait
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: [T]eaching experience doesn't matter much. -Lee Young-chan (pictured)
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 Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:05 pm Post subject: No More Demands for Apologies From Japan: Lee Myung-bak |
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http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200801/200801180011.html
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No More Demands for Apologies From Japan: Lee
President-elect Lee Myung-bak on Thursday said there will be no more demands for apologies from Japan during his presidency. �For a new, mature Seoul-Tokyo relationship, I don't want to ask them to apologize for, or examine themselves� over colonial rule of Korea, Lee told foreign reporters at an event organized by the Seoul Foreign Correspondents' Club at the Korea Press Center in Seoul.
Asked if he would continue the tradition of demanding apologies from Tokyo established by his predecessors, Lee said, "It's true that Japan has so far only made perfunctory apologies or self-examinations in the past, and such apologies failed to move the Korean people to a large extent. But I'm sure that Japan will conduct a mature diplomacy regardless."
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Paul_Zerzan
Joined: 26 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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| I wonder if he's going to get mobbed by the comfort women now... |
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Newbie
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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Wow
Brave?... stupid?... Definitely refreshing. |
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kiwiduncan
Joined: 18 Jun 2007
Location: New Zealand
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| Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Wow, for once I am in agreement with LMB. I'm going to keep on criticizing him for the grand canal, Saemangeum and other stupid policies, but he deserves credit for this. |
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Vancouver
Joined: 12 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Definitely refreshing. |
indeed. I wonder how this news will be recieved by the people |
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browneyedgirl
Joined: 17 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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| The next American president should do the same thing. |
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mr. positive
Joined: 02 Jan 2008
Location: a happy place
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| Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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| browneyedgirl wrote: |
| The next American president should do the same thing. |
What do you mean? I don't see how this issue affects Japanese-American politics, but maybe you know something I don't. Just curious. |
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crazy_arcade
Joined: 05 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Vancouver wrote: |
| Newbie wrote: |
| Definitely refreshing. |
indeed. I wonder how this news will be recieved by the people |
People voted him in for exactly these kinds of reasons. They want Korea to move forward. |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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| browneyedgirl wrote: |
| The next American president should do the same thing. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731
Here's some of the things the Japanese Unit 731 did:
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The test subjects included infants, the elderly and pregnant women. Many experiments and vivisection were performed without the use of anesthetics because it was believed that it might affect the results, or that it was unnecessary because the subjects were tied down.[6]
Vivisection
* Prisoners of war were subjected to vivisection without anesthesia. [7][6]
* Vivisections were performed on prisoners infected with various diseases. Scientists performed invasive surgery on prisoners, removing organs to study the effects of disease on the human body. These were conducted while the patients were alive because it was felt that the decomposition process would affect the results.[8][6] The infected and vivisected prisoners included men, women, children, and infants.[9]
* Vivisections were also performed on pregnant women, sometimes impregnated by doctors, and the fetus removed.[10]
* Prisoners had limbs amputated in order to study blood loss.[6]
* Those limbs that were removed were sometimes re-attached to the opposite sides of the body.[6]
* Some prisoners' limbs were frozen and amputated, while others had limbs frozen then thawed to study the effects of the resultant untreated gangrene and rotting.
* Some prisoners had their stomachs surgically removed and the esophagus reattached to the intestines.[6]
* Parts of the brain, lungs, liver, etc. were removed from some prisoners.[11][7][6]
# Human targets were used to test grenades positioned at various distances and in different positions.[6]
# Flame throwers were tested on humans.[6]
# Humans were tied to stakes and used as targets to test germ-releasing bombs, chemical weapons and explosive bombs.
* Prisoners were injected with inoculations of disease, disguised as vaccinations, to study their effects. [6]
* To study the effects of untreated venereal diseases, male and female prisoners were deliberately infected with syphilis and gonorrhea via rape, then studied.[citation needed]
* Prisoners were infested with fleas in order to acquire large quantities of disease-carrying fleas for the purposes of studying the viability of germ warfare.
* Plague fleas, infected clothing, and infected supplies encased in bombs were dropped on various targets. The resulting cholera, anthrax, and plague were estimated to have killed around 400,000 Chinese.[6]
* Tularemia was tested on Chinese civilians before World War II. [13]
* Unit 731 and its affiliated units (Unit 1644, Unit 100, et cetera) actively committed epidemic-creating germ warfare assaults against the Chinese populace (both civilian and military) throughout World War II. Plague-infested fleas, bred in the laboratories of Unit 731 and Unit 1644, were spread by low-flying aeroplanes upon Chinese cities, coastal Ningbo in 1940, and Changde, Hunan Province, in 1941. This military aerial spraying killed thousands of people with bubonic plague epidemics. [14]
Prisoners were subjected to cruel and inhuman experiments such as:
* being hung upside down to see how long it would take for them to choke to death.[6]
* having air injected into their arteries to determine the time until the onset of embolism.[6]
* having horse urine injected into their kidneys.[6]
* being deprived of food and water to determine the length of time until death.
* being placed into high-pressure chambers until death.
* being exposed to extreme temperatures and developed frostbite to determine how long humans could survive with such an affliction, and to determine the effects of rotting and gangrene on human flesh.[6]
* having experiments performed upon prisoners to determine the relationship between temperature, burns, and human survival.
* being placed into centrifuges and spun until dead.
* having animal blood injected into some prisoners and the effects studied.
* being exposed to lethal doses of x-ray radiation.
* having various chemical weapons tested on prisoners inside gas chambers.
* being injected with sea water to determine if it could be a substitute for saline.
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After Imperial Japan surrendered to the Allies in 1945, Douglas MacArthur became the Supreme Commander of the Allied Powers, rebuilding Japan during the Allied occupation.
At the end of the war, MacArthur secretly granted immunity to the physicians of Unit 731 in exchange for providing America with their research on biological warfare. The United States believed that the research data was valuable because the allies had never publicly conducted or condoned such experiments on humans due to moral and political revulsion. The U.S. also did not want other nations, particularly the Soviet Union, to acquire data on biological weapons, not to mention the military benefits of such research.[17] |
Why the hell would the US demand the Japanese apologize? We were the ones that told Japan "Yo, its all good. Just give us your research." |
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billybrobby
Joined: 09 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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| If you read the article in the link, pretty much everything he said was money. And yet, he still has to make these zany claims like raising the average income of NK to $3,000 in 10 years. Sure it's possible, but does he really have much control over it? Just like Korea going to #7 in so many years. Why not just promise 20% more sunny days in 2008? Everybody's IQ raised by 10 points! And a gum-drop house on lollipop lane!! |
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King Baeksu
Joined: 22 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Roh made the same exact promise early on and see how long that lasted. No doubt the old farts in Tokyo who run things will make some gaffe as they are prone to do that upsets Korea, and then we'll see how effectively Lee is able to resist public pressure to return tit for tat. I won't be holding my breath... |
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Suwoner10
Joined: 10 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="pkang0202"]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731
Here's some of the things the Japanese Unit 731 did:
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The test subjects included infants, the elderly and pregnant women. Many experiments and vivisection were performed without the use of anesthetics because it was believed that it might affect the results, or that it was unnecessary because the subjects were tied down.[6]
Vivisection
* Prisoners of war were subjected to vivisection without anesthesia. [7][6]
* Vivisections were performed on prisoners infected with various diseases. Scientists performed invasive surgery on prisoners, removing organs to study the effects of disease on the human body. These were conducted while the patients were alive because it was felt that the decomposition process would affect the results.[8][6] The infected and vivisected prisoners included men, women, children, and infants.[9]
* Vivisections were also performed on pregnant women, sometimes impregnated by doctors, and the fetus removed.[10]
* Prisoners had limbs amputated in order to study blood loss.[6]
* Those limbs that were removed were sometimes re-attached to the opposite sides of the body.[6]
* Some prisoners' limbs were frozen and amputated, while others had limbs frozen then thawed to study the effects of the resultant untreated gangrene and rotting.
* Some prisoners had their stomachs surgically removed and the esophagus reattached to the intestines.[6]
* Parts of the brain, lungs, liver, etc. were removed from some prisoners.[11][7][6]
# Human targets were used to test grenades positioned at various distances and in different positions.[6]
# Flame throwers were tested on humans.[6]
# Humans were tied to stakes and used as targets to test germ-releasing bombs, chemical weapons and explosive bombs.
* Prisoners were injected with inoculations of disease, disguised as vaccinations, to study their effects. [6]
* To study the effects of untreated venereal diseases, male and female prisoners were deliberately infected with syphilis and gonorrhea via rape, then studied.[citation needed]
* Prisoners were infested with fleas in order to acquire large quantities of disease-carrying fleas for the purposes of studying the viability of germ warfare.
* Plague fleas, infected clothing, and infected supplies encased in bombs were dropped on various targets. The resulting cholera, anthrax, and plague were estimated to have killed around 400,000 Chinese.[6]
* Tularemia was tested on Chinese civilians before World War II. [13]
* Unit 731 and its affiliated units (Unit 1644, Unit 100, et cetera) actively committed epidemic-creating germ warfare assaults against the Chinese populace (both civilian and military) throughout World War II. Plague-infested fleas, bred in the laboratories of Unit 731 and Unit 1644, were spread by low-flying aeroplanes upon Chinese cities, coastal Ningbo in 1940, and Changde, Hunan Province, in 1941. This military aerial spraying killed thousands of people with bubonic plague epidemics. [14]
Prisoners were subjected to cruel and inhuman experiments such as:
* being hung upside down to see how long it would take for them to choke to death.[6]
* having air injected into their arteries to determine the time until the onset of embolism.[6]
* having horse urine injected into their kidneys.[6]
* being deprived of food and water to determine the length of time until death.
* being placed into high-pressure chambers until death.
* being exposed to extreme temperatures and developed frostbite to determine how long humans could survive with such an affliction, and to determine the effects of rotting and gangrene on human flesh.[6]
* having experiments performed upon prisoners to determine the relationship between temperature, burns, and human survival.
* being placed into centrifuges and spun until dead.
* having animal blood injected into some prisoners and the effects studied.
* being exposed to lethal doses of x-ray radiation.
* having various chemical weapons tested on prisoners inside gas chambers.
* being injected with sea water to determine if it could be a substitute for saline.
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See! Whoever thinks Koreans has never contributed anything worthwhile to humanity's intellectual advancement, clearly didn't read how they were instrumental in Japanese medical experiments. |
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endo
Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home
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| Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Not funny dude. |
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flakfizer
Joined: 12 Nov 2004
Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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| billybrobby wrote: |
| And a gum-drop house on lollipop lane!! |
Ah the Simpsons. |
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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep
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| Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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| billybrobby wrote: |
| If you read the article in the link, pretty much everything he said was money. And yet, he still has to make these zany claims like raising the average income of NK to $3,000 in 10 years. Sure it's possible, but does he really have much control over it? Just like Korea going to #7 in so many years. Why not just promise 20% more sunny days in 2008? Everybody's IQ raised by 10 points! And a gum-drop house on lollipop lane!! |
Those zany 10-year forecasts are part & parcel of every Korean president-elect's NY's address. I'm just pleased to see that they rounded off the Norks' income figure to an even thousand $. Pointless precision is the standard for these things, they calculate the fark out of those numbers, right down to the last silly dollar. ("Korea's GNP per capita will be $12,321 by the year 2000! Yay!! And our exports will be...")
I've asked Koreans what's the point of grinding those 5-, 10-year income forecasts so finely when a million and one unknowable factors, not the least of which are FX rates, will surely render your oh-so-precise figure wrong. Why bother carrying predictions of GDP growth FIVE YEARS IN THE FUTURE beyond a single digit to the hundredth decimal point? The most convincing answers I've heard are "That's just the way we do it" and "It makes us look very clever and studious. If we merely said '3.0~3.5% GDP growth', people might think we're lazy or just guessing."
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