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Core 2 Duo v. Turion 64 x2
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Amd or Intel
Intel Core 2 Duo for Laptops
80%
 80%  [ 8 ]
AMD Turion 62 x2 for laptops
20%
 20%  [ 2 ]
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cbclark4



Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Masan

PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:14 pm    Post subject: Core 2 Duo v. Turion 64 x2 Reply with quote

So I want a laptop I see the TL-60 Turion 64 x2 and the Core 2 Duo T5450 and T2330.

No one lets you know the clock speeds up front any more and then thereis front side bus and cache to consider.

It looks likethe Turion beats the others at the price mark.

Any opinions here?

Please weigh in.
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JustJohn



Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not completely up to date, but usually the core2 has better performance, though the turion *might* be better for the buck.
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cbclark4



Joined: 20 Aug 2006
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for weighing in.

just wondering is the performance benchmark of a DUO or x2 twice the clock speed or is there a different determinant?
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JustJohn



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It depends. A lot. For most stuff they will not perform like a CPU with double the clock speed, but a core2 is a pretty beefy processor anyway so it's still pretty strong clock for clock if you understand what I'm saying.

Anyway, all dual core processors need to have applications designed specifically to take advantage of both cores if you want the max performance. A lot of programs are starting to do this nowadays, especially cpu intensive programs, because dual core is already a significant share of the market. However, stuff that most people are going to be running on a daily basis will see very little benefit from a dual core CPU at this point in time.
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bassexpander



Joined: 13 Sep 2007
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 1:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what I've read, if a Core2Duo is at least .2 to .4 faster than the Turion.

The Turion and the older CoreDuo chips are nearly identical in speed.

See here:
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile-Processors-Benchmarklist.2436.0.html
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Demophobe



Joined: 17 May 2004

PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JustJohn wrote:
However, stuff that most people are going to be running on a daily basis will see very little benefit from a dual core CPU at this point in time.


Please expand.
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Khenan



Joined: 25 Dec 2007

PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Everyone I asked before buying my new laptop last week said that Intel was the way to go this generation. It's true that the AMD can be as much as $2-300 cheaper for comparable clock speeds, but I think that's due to the fact that, since they're not as good as the Intels, they have to mark them down to sell them. People who care and do their research buy Intel; people who just look at clock speeds and price tags buy AMD.

(I miss AMD..)
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Demophobe



Joined: 17 May 2004

PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 2:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Demophobe wrote:
JustJohn wrote:
However, stuff that most people are going to be running on a daily basis will see very little benefit from a dual core CPU at this point in time.


Please expand.


The silence is deafening. Laughing
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JustJohn



Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My computer is in the shop, I'm at a PCbang and I don't really have time. Sorry. Quickly:

What I was saying is that stuff like web browsers and word processors aren't multi-threaded yet (to my knowledge) so they can't take full advantage. I assume you're going to say that people WILL benefit from dual core in every day situations. This is true, but it's due to more cache and such rather than the dual cores except in applications written to take advantage.
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spliff



Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand

PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

2.66 Dual Core Pent4

Great computer for sale. Everything in it is less than 1 year old. I am travelling soon, so no longer need a computer. 800,000 Won
2.66 Dual Core Pent4 (In case you are not up with comp. technology, dual core means there are two 2.66 chips in the computer.)
Intel Motherboard
4gb Ram
512MB nvidia e-Ge force 8600GTS Video Card (High End card that can play any video game out there today)
300GB SATA Harddrive
22 inch Monitor (Very nice flat panel monitor. No pixel damage. Less than 6 months old)
TV Tuner and Remote
Sound Card
Keyboard/mouse
DVD writable
Microsoft Vista/works

For sale on ES...what kind of CPU is this?
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Demophobe



Joined: 17 May 2004

PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JustJohn wrote:
My computer is in the shop, I'm at a PCbang and I don't really have time. Sorry. Quickly:

What I was saying is that stuff like web browsers and word processors aren't multi-threaded yet (to my knowledge) so they can't take full advantage. I assume you're going to say that people WILL benefit from dual core in every day situations. This is true, but it's due to more cache and such rather than the dual cores except in applications written to take advantage.


What I was going to talk about is CPU architecture. The C2Duo line is a great core, even in a single implementation. A 2.4 chip will crush a Northwood 3GHz. Now, these new cores can only be found in the Duo varieties, so there is no way around it anymore: if you want a fast core, you have to go dual core.

This may stray from your original statement a bit and not necessarily disprove it, but then again, Vista is a multi-thread capable OS as are many games and apps. More are coming all the time. Excel 2007 is multi-threaded and I am more than certain other suite applications, common ones at that, will follow suit. Most multimedia apps are multi-threaded...

Bottom line is that what you are saying is only partially true right now and even that is changing quickly. Its a multi-core world and there's no going back. Get on board.
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SuperHero



Joined: 10 Dec 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In addition to what Demophobe said. At the minimum you can benefit froma dual core with single threaded apps as one core can run the o/s and background services leaving 100% of the remaining core to run your single threaded app.
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christopher1magelli



Joined: 20 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spliff wrote:
2.66 Dual Core Pent4

Great computer for sale. Everything in it is less than 1 year old. I am travelling soon, so no longer need a computer. 800,000 Won
2.66 Dual Core Pent4 (In case you are not up with comp. technology, dual core means there are two 2.66 chips in the computer.)
Intel Motherboard
4gb Ram
512MB nvidia e-Ge force 8600GTS Video Card (High End card that can play any video game out there today)
300GB SATA Harddrive
22 inch Monitor (Very nice flat panel monitor. No pixel damage. Less than 6 months old)
TV Tuner and Remote
Sound Card
Keyboard/mouse
DVD writable
Microsoft Vista/works

For sale on ES...what kind of CPU is this?


6750
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spliff



Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand

PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The guy should have just said that in his ad. Your ad, BTW? Nice chip! Finestkind... Very Happy
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OneWayTraffic



Joined: 14 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Demophobe wrote:
JustJohn wrote:
My computer is in the shop, I'm at a PCbang and I don't really have time. Sorry. Quickly:

What I was saying is that stuff like web browsers and word processors aren't multi-threaded yet (to my knowledge) so they can't take full advantage. I assume you're going to say that people WILL benefit from dual core in every day situations. This is true, but it's due to more cache and such rather than the dual cores except in applications written to take advantage.


What I was going to talk about is CPU architecture. The C2Duo line is a great core, even in a single implementation. A 2.4 chip will crush a Northwood 3GHz. Now, these new cores can only be found in the Duo varieties, so there is no way around it anymore: if you want a fast core, you have to go dual core.

This may stray from your original statement a bit and not necessarily disprove it, but then again, Vista is a multi-thread capable OS as are many games and apps. More are coming all the time. Excel 2007 is multi-threaded and I am more than certain other suite applications, common ones at that, will follow suit. Most multimedia apps are multi-threaded...

Bottom line is that what you are saying is only partially true right now and even that is changing quickly. Its a multi-core world and there's no going back. Get on board.


All true, but in a very real sense computers became fast enough to run spreadsheets, wordprocessors and browsers a long time ago. More power doesn't change the fact that I rarely see my desktop's CPU (A64 Venice 3000) go above 10% usage except in games. My AMD Geode Everun can play DivX movies just fine.
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