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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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 Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 3:46 pm Post subject: Jet found in desert -- interesting |
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I got this e-mail:
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The Iraqi jet, an advanced Russian MiG-25 Foxbat, was found buried in the sand after an informant tipped off U.S . troops.
The MiG was dug out of a massive sand dune near the Al Taqqadum airfield by U.S. Air Force recovery
teams. The MiG was reportedly one of over two dozen Iraqi jets buried in the sand, like hidden treasure,
waiting to be recovered at a later date. Contrary to what some in the major media have reported, not all the jets found were from the Gulf War era.
The Russian-made MiG-25 Foxbat being recovered by U.S. Air Force troops in the photos is an advanced reconnaissance version never before seen in the West and is equipped with sophisticated electronic warfare devices.
U.S. Air Force recovery teams had to use large earth-moving equipment to uncover the MiG, which is over 70 feet long and weighs nearly 25 tons.
The Foxbat is known to be one of Iraq's top jet fighters. The advanced electronic reconnaissance version found by the U.S. Air Force is currently in service with the Russian air force. The MiG is capable of flying at speeds of over 2,000 miles an hour, or three times the speed of sound , and at altitudes of over 75,000 feet.
The recovery of the advanced MiG fighter is considered to be an intelligence coup by the U.S. Air Force.. The Foxbat may also be equipped with advanced Russian- and French-made electronics that were sold to Iraq during the 1990s in violation of a U..N. ban on arms sales to Baghdad.
The buried aircraft at Al Taqqadum were covered in camouflage netting, sealed and, in many cases, had their wings removed before being buried more than 10 feet beneath the Iraqi desert.
X Marks the Spot
The discovery of the buried Iraqi jet fighters illustrates the problem faced by ! U.S. inspection teams searching Iraq for weapons of mass destruction. Iraq is larger in size than California, and the massive deserts south and west of Baghdad were used by Saddam Hussein to hide weapons during the first Gulf war.
U.S. intelligence sources have already uncovered several mass grave burial sites in the open deserts with an estimated 10,000 dead hidden there. In addition, Iraq previously hid SCUD missiles, chemical weapons and biological warheads by burying them under the desert sand.
U.N. inspe ction teams found the weapons in the early 1990s after detailed information of the exact locations was obtained.
Top U.S. weapons inspector Dr. David Kay is known to favor human intelligence as the primary means to
find Iraq's hidden treasure trove of weapons and secrets.
While there are rumors of Iraqi chemical and biological weapons being shipped to nearby Syria, the weapons may very well still remain inside Iraq buried under the vast desert wastelands.
Some critics of the Bush administration have claimed that the inability of U.S.. forces to uncover weapons of mass destruction is proof that the president misled the nation into the war with Iraq.
However, in recent days the critics have fallen silent as word quietly leaked from Iraq that major discoveries have already been made and are now being documented completely. Bush administration officials are keeping any such discoveries secret for the moment. |
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dirty_scraps83
Joined: 02 Jul 2007
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| wow those ruskis sure make hardy equipment. Just like the irrepressible AK-47, just bury it in the sand and when you need it come back, dig it back up and off you go to lay hurt on the West! |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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I found the link.
This is from 2003.
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| in recent days the critics have fallen silent as word quietly leaked from Iraq that major discoveries have already been made and are now being documented completely |
So that next to last sentence may not have the power it was meant to have. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Iraq didn't want to lose its airforce to allied bombing during the first Gulf war and flew them to Iran. Clearly they'd bury some too. |
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twg
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...
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| Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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The flow charts and satellite photos that Powel was standing in front of the UN yelling about are NOT the same thing as the recently found pile degraded chemicals, and handful of hardware that were buried in the sands back in the early 90s.
So the fact still stands: Bush and co. faked the threat, and the supporters of the war still lack any sort of moral high ground |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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Good research work, Kuros. Buried jets found in summer 2003 don't have the same impact as ones found in winter 2007/8.
The question becomes: Is the OP just low on someone's mailing list or is someone out there sending old news in an attempt to stir things up? |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:04 am Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
Good research work, Kuros. Buried jets found in summer 2003 don't have the same impact as ones found in winter 2007/8.
The question becomes: Is the OP just low on someone's mailing list or is someone out there sending old news in an attempt to stir things up? |
I've always found bassexpander to be a pretty rational individual. I suspect he's just posting it because they're some damn cool photos. |
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atomic42
Joined: 06 Jul 2007
Location: Gimhae
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:44 am Post subject: |
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I liked the K chick with her supple young *beep* on a board much better.  |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 3:13 am Post subject: |
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In terms of the military might of the find...
This story might scare Israel as a 'what if' but it IS whipdeedo  to the Allied Forces, especially the US, whose air force slaughtered the Iraqi army in the desert before ground forces could be engaged. The Americans didn't 'fight like a man' in terms of old gladiator ethics, instead they bombed and picked off the soldiers from the sky that was entirely one-sided. If the airplanes were to have been used to try and prevent the invasion of Iraq they wouldn't have made much of a difference, though they would have gone down fighting with some effort to protect their sitting-duck army. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 3:28 am Post subject: |
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| The funny part is when they dug the jet up, they found Ron Paul in it. |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 4:05 am Post subject: |
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| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
| The funny part is when they dug the jet up, they found Ron Paul in it. |
there was a WMD in Iraq after all ! |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 4:20 am Post subject: |
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| Oh VI, I think you and I better hire some bodyguards. We just pissed off the RP crowd. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 4:20 am Post subject: |
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| twg wrote: |
The flow charts and satellite photos that Powel was standing in front of the UN yelling about are NOT the same thing as the recently found pile degraded chemicals, and handful of hardware that were buried in the sands back in the early 90s.
So the fact still stands: Bush and co. faked the threat, and the supporters of the war still lack any sort of moral high ground |
That is not true cause Saddam never gave up his war.
And the US could not contain Saddam forever.
Anyway Iraqi WMDs weren't the true reason for the war anyway. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
Good research work, Kuros. Buried jets found in summer 2003 don't have the same impact as ones found in winter 2007/8.
The question becomes: Is the OP just low on someone's mailing list or is someone out there sending old news in an attempt to stir things up? |
I've always found bassexpander to be a pretty rational individual. I suspect he's just posting it because they're some damn cool photos. |
He said he posted an email he got. Bassexpander probably was unaware of the timeline, since it wasn't included in the article.
Yeah, I think he posted it b/c of the cool photos. |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Time to go to Iraq with a metal detector. I'm sure a MIG will sell for a couple million dollars somewhere. |
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