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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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 Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 4:34 pm Post subject: Re: If Osama was your daddy... |
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| That just has to do a number on your head. So you go out and marry a woman who is twice your age...who has already been married 4 times. Talk about self-defeating behavior. |
What's wrong with him marrying an older woman if they are happy together? She's still a good looking woman and he might find her very exciting. If it were Bin Laden's daughter marying a good looking 52 year old man no-one would much care. |
I shouldn't do this...
...ah, what the hell.
Big Bird: societal norms for men and women are different. |
And not everybody cares to follow your norms. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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| ironic given that my father is of Gypsy descent. |
Do you have any insights on the effect of genes on behavior, in this case your desire to pack up and come to Asia, what with your combo wandering small 'j' jewish and Gypsy background and all?
Darn that Kuros! I had Omar pegged and safely pigeon-holed as a rebellious kid and now I have to consider whether he is playing a PR game for his dad. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 4:36 pm Post subject: Re: If Osama was your daddy... |
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| Big_Bird wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| Big_Bird wrote: |
| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| That just has to do a number on your head. So you go out and marry a woman who is twice your age...who has already been married 4 times. Talk about self-defeating behavior. |
What's wrong with him marrying an older woman if they are happy together? She's still a good looking woman and he might find her very exciting. If it were Bin Laden's daughter marying a good looking 52 year old man no-one would much care. |
I shouldn't do this...
...ah, what the hell.
Big Bird: societal norms for men and women are different. |
And not everybody cares to follow your norms. |
And she stumbles right off the base!
Go back and re-read my sentence: societal norms.
What made you think they were my norms? |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 4:44 pm Post subject: Re: If Osama was your daddy... |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| Big_Bird wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| Big_Bird wrote: |
| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| That just has to do a number on your head. So you go out and marry a woman who is twice your age...who has already been married 4 times. Talk about self-defeating behavior. |
What's wrong with him marrying an older woman if they are happy together? She's still a good looking woman and he might find her very exciting. If it were Bin Laden's daughter marying a good looking 52 year old man no-one would much care. |
I shouldn't do this...
...ah, what the hell.
Big Bird: societal norms for men and women are different. |
And not everybody cares to follow your norms. |
And she stumbles right off the base!
Go back and re-read my sentence: societal norms.
What made you think they were my norms? |
That's what I was alluding to, if anyone cares. Such an arrangement is generally the other way around, and even moreso in some cultures.
If Osama's son is happy with his situation I say that's great, and I take no exception to it other than to point out on a message board that it's not what you would expect on the surface given the circumstances and those involved.
Kuros, we should stop ruffling feathers. (Big_Bird's wrath is scary). |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:00 pm Post subject: Re: If Osama was your daddy... |
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If Osama's son is happy with his situation I say that's great, and I take no exception to it other than to point out on a message board that it's not what you would expect on the surface given the circumstances and those involved.
Kuros, we should stop ruffling feathers. (Big_Bird's wrath is scary). |
I think its a serious issue.
I wanted to provoke Big_Bird some more, but I'll come out and say it: our society is biased against men who date women older than them.
Big_Bird seems to take objection on the part of the female, but the female of the pair is looked upon more favorably. If the woman has money, the man is seen as 'kept' or as a 'gold-digger.' A lot of men are uncomfortable with women who make more money than them. Those men who accept it, even appreciate that their women can earn more are deemed by other men as shallow and opportunistic.
I actually had a so-called feminist in Korea rant about men who dated women more than 10 years older than themselves! There is a societal norm, and its enforced as much by jealous women as it is by insecure men. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:17 pm Post subject: Re: If Osama was your daddy... |
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Those men who accept it, even appreciate that their women can earn more are deemed by other men as shallow and opportunistic.
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You have destroyed my self-esteem. I thought I scored by meeting a woman (who is admittedly 2 years older than me) who has her act together.
I currently make more than her, but it wasn't like that before when I met her, and with her new bar after our relocation to Seoul it will likely not be continuing for much longer (despite my best efforts). I support that for obvious reasons (love, money, wanting her to feel successful, etc.).
Nonetheless, Kuros, you have a good point. When I tell people (especially Korean people) that my wife is a little older that me as opposed to my being older than her, I feel a little unsaid condescension coming my way. It comes from the eyes and how they look at each other after I say that. Like I am someone to be pitied. This often contrasts with how I feel about them, as even though I may like them, they are locked into a rigid system that I am glad I wasn't subjected to during my socialization/formative years..
Societal norms, indeed. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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From what can be seen in that small picture, she does look like she's well-preserved. If Omar is happy with her, that's his business. I was more focused on the 4 times divorced aspect. Her track record for long-term relationships is not good. Again, it's his business, but I don't see why he bothered to marry her. A fling, OK. That makes more sense. But why give her legal access to his wealth?
As for societal norms, in this case the norms make sense. She is too old to have children. A man can procreate longer than a woman. The societal norm takes that into consideration. Someone should mention what was brought up on another thread: Women are for children. Boys are for fun. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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| 2 years older than me |
I had a short conversation with one of my students just the other day. He said it's kind of a new trend for Korean males to date 'older' women. The situation didn't offer itself to following up on it, so I didn't find out any more than that he is dating a woman who is a few years older than him. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:27 pm Post subject: Re: If Osama was your daddy... |
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| Big_Bird seems to take objection on the part of the female, but the female of the pair is looked upon more favorably. |
Well it's a good job you qualified that with 'seems.' I don't see how you came to that conclusion though, as I was objecting to the young man being painted as some kind of headcase because he'd chosen to be with someone that Yata boy himself might not fancy. |
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caniff
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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Ya-ta, (just my opinion), procreation is over-rated. There are too many people on this planet.
Does the world really need more kids, countless more baby pictures, millions of baby outfits made in sweatshops?
I'm not suggesting sterilization of the masses or anything sinister, but we need to educate people worldwide so that they are able to make responsible choices. There is a reason birth-rates fall in developed countries.
Priorities need to be re-examined.
edit: maybe this was off the topic. I guess I was referring to how baby-making shouldn't be the impetus of marriages, IMO.
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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| As for societal norms, in this case the norms make sense. She is too old to have children. A man can procreate longer than a woman. The societal norm takes that into consideration. Someone should mention what was brought up on another thread: Women are for children. Boys are for fun. |
Welcome the 21st century: a new technological age where science is making all sorts of breakthroughs in reproductive technology. Why, even gays are marrying Yata - haven't you heard?? And what about all those men running about the place hoping to find wives who share their desire NOT to have children. The idea that marriage is all about reproducing is getting pretty old fashioned. |
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bacasper
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:37 pm Post subject: Re: If Osama was your daddy... |
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| What's wrong with him marrying an older woman if they are happy together? |
Absolutely. After all, look at Vili and Mary Kay. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Welcome the 21st century |
Women's egos notwithstanding, here are some famous people born in 1955, so they are 52. Which ones have the best chance of getting laid by 26-year olds? Kevin Costner, Maria Shriver, Debra Winger, Bruce Willis, Greta Van Susteren, Donatella Versace, Billy Bob Thornton, Tanya Roberts, Yo-yo Ma. |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Big_Bird's feminine hysteria drives and informs most of her positions on this board. We must learn tolerance and look beyond this, toward her virtues... |
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Big_Bird
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