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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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 Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 6:31 am Post subject: |
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Actually I've posted a few specific policy areas where Paul and Kucinich vastly differ.
You've only brought up the Constitution as something they share in common. You didn't specify how, so how? |
Policy AREAS, not specifics. The Constitution is a policy AREA they agree on. What they disagree on is the role of gov't in private affairs. What Paul misses is that the marketplace is not a good place to manage public policy. Kucinich is right on that.
I don't think it would keep them from being running mates. You are ignoring the differing roles and duties assigned by the Constitution.
Look at it this way: Were either selected to run for Prez, who the hell could they possibly choose as VP? They are each others best VP candidate, particularly for Paul. He has already said he could not support a prez candidate who supported the Iraq war. That means there is no VP! (Well, not from among the Republican candidates.) Kucinich is the only one as solidly behind the Constitution as Paul is AND against the war from the beginning.
Also, if Paul chose a complete unknown, he'd lose a lot of fence sitters who would look for someone to moderate what they see as extremist views.
Don't focus so much on policy differences. In the end, one man doesn't set a party's agenda. |
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endo
Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 6:49 am Post subject: |
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So are you really suggesting that a liberatarian/socialist co-ticket would actually work?
Dream on buddy  |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 7:34 am Post subject: |
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The do seem to be considering it.
As I said before, we all prioritize our issues. In the case of ol' me, for example, I believe in individal rights and capitalism but will likely vote for either the Canaidan Green's or NDP (socialists) in the next election because for me, the number 1,2 issues are the war on drugs and civil rights for sexual minorites. I am more than willing to deal with a left leaning government if they are willing to address these two issues (though the gay one has been largely resolved).
I believe that for both DK and RP the leading issue of the day are the wars. The prez is commander of the military but not of the country. Congress and the senate, if I understand the American divisions properly (and I may not) would have to agree to many of the policy differences that RP and DK have. Ron Paul firstly is concerned with military empire and secondly with the monetary policy of the nation, and from what I hear from DK's camp, they do too. A compromise isn't totally out of the question. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 1:43 pm Post subject: |
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Kucinich/Paul '08! The Unity Ticket!
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If Kucinich wins nomination, Ron Paul could be his veep
Posted by Sabrina Eaton and Stephen Koff November 25, 2007 19:03PM
Categories: Kucinich
Acworth, New Hampshire -- Call it the liberal-libertarian ticket, where left meets right and Democrat Dennis Kucinich picks Republican Ron Paul to be his vice president.
Kucinich, the Cleveland congressman running in a longshot bid to become president, suggested it himself today.
"I'm thinking about Ron Paul" as a running mate, Kucinich told a crowd of about 70 supporters at a house party here, one of numerous stops throughout New Hampshire over the Thanksgiving weekend. A Kucinich-Paul administration could bring people together "to balance the energies in this country," Kucinich said.
It would create a stunning, if dizzying, blend of beliefs, wedding two politicians who hold different views on abortion rights, the role of government in providing health care, and the use of government in fostering -- or hampering -- the public's greater good. Those are among the reasons it would never work, said a spokesman for Paul, a congressman and doctor from Texas.
"Dr. Paul and Rep. Kucinich are friends and there is a lot of mutual respect," Paul communications director Jesse Benton said in an e-mail when asked whether a running-mate spot on the Kucinich ticket would be attractive to Paul. "They have worked, and will continue to work, together on the ending the war and protecting civil liberties.
"However, Ron wants to substantially cut the size and scope of the federal government. There are too many differences on issues such as taxes and spending to think a joint ticket would be possible."
Kucinich and Paul are gadflies to their parties' establishments. Kucinich challenges Democrats to stop cozying up to corporate interests, while Paul challenges Republicans to shed the trappings of big government.
Both frequently cite the Constitution as providing the authority for their agendas. Paul never votes for legislation unless the measure is expressly authorized by the Constitution, his campaign says. Kucinich keeps a pocket-size copy of the Constitution handy, brandishing it to invoke authority for such proposals as the impeachment of Vice President Cheney, one of Kucinich's signature issues.
Speculation of a Kucinich-Paul ticket has surfaced on the Internet, where it also has been shot down. But Kucinich's wife, Elizabeth, did not dismiss it when asked about it after a recent Democratic candidates' debate in Las Vegas. Speaking to the website RawVegasTV, she called Paul "a great truth-teller," adding that Paul has "voted 100 percent right on the war."
Today, her husband said, "Think of how you could unite the country, having a Democrat and a Republican on the ticket." |
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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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Ron Paul Responds re: Kucinich ticket.
Paul decidedly open to the idea of a Kucinich/Paul, Paul/Kucinich ticket.
The future is now.
Am I good, or what?
Yes. Yes, I am.
'89/'90 recession.
Bush into Iraq (before he was elected)
The extremely fast pace of climate change
gopher a Republican
Kucinich/Paul '08 Unity Ticket
The coming recession
peak oil
Called 'em all. (Three are pending, but fear not, my babies...)
MORE:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJcnoDfFWhM&feature=related
Again, mentions Kucinich. Among Republicans, Chuck Hagel.
Interesting tidbit from him on those scumbag Repukes/Neo-cons clamoring that cutting funding for the Iraq war is unpatriotic and doesn't support the troops:
Republicans voted 148 - 48 to cut funding for troops in Kosovo. Hmmm... |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Paul showed how sensible and flexible he is in that interview. He is just amazing. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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C'mon, keane, don't blow your own horn.
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Am I good, or what?
Yes. Yes, I am.
'89/'90 recession. |
OK, but I wasn't around here for that one.
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| Bush into Iraq (before he was elected) |
That was easy. Even if Gore's election had been honored, we'd have gone into Iraq. Gore gave a speech in February 2000 in which he demonized Saddam to no end and was at least as hawkish as Bush ever was.
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| The extremely fast pace of climate change |
That is not a hard point of view to come by.
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| gopher a Republican |
That's a no-brainer. (The idea is, not gopher.)
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| Kucinich/Paul '08 Unity Ticket |
We can only dream.
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The coming recession
peak oil |
We'll see about those but I'm afraid I'm with you on both. |
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keane
Joined: 09 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 3:59 am Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
C'mon, keane, don't blow your own horn.
Tough job, but someone's gotta do it! 
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| '89/'90 recession. |
OK, but I wasn't around here for that one. |
I can hardly be faulted... What's your mother's name?
(I kid...  )
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| Bush into Iraq (before he was elected) |
That was easy. Even if Gore's election had been honored, we'd have gone into Iraq. Gore gave a speech in February 2000 in which he demonized Saddam to no end and was at least as hawkish as Bush ever was. |
I don't know of that speech, but I'm gonna call bull on this. Key moment: Inspectors ask for just three more months, after how many years?, and Bush says, "Ready? Set! Bomb!" I don't see Gore doing the same in the same scenario. BTW, in 1999 - 2000 nobody was talking about Bush going into Iraq and his public stance was, "No interference, bring our boys home. Clinton is too interventionist."
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| The extremely fast pace of climate change |
That is not a hard point of view to come by. |
Was it a year ago? No. Very few were saying it back then. When dacade-long periods of massive change were talked about back then, people just laughed - though scientists have been talking about this since the '80s and '90s.
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| gopher a Republican |
That's a no-brainer. (The idea is, not gopher.) |
He was a self-stated Dem until this time last year.
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| keane wrote: |
| Kucinich/Paul '08 Unity Ticket |
We can only dream. |
And send money!
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The coming recession
peak oil |
We'll see about those but I'm afraid I'm with you on both. |
The more the merrier. The more on board the better the chances to prepare/ameliorate/adjust. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Supreme Court Denies Kucinich Ballot Bid
Fri Jan 18, 2:50 PM ET
WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court on Friday allowed Texas to print presidential primary ballots without Democratic candidate Dennis Kucinich's name.
The court refused to step into a dispute between Kucinich and the Texas Democratic Party over a loyalty oath all candidates must sign to make the ballot.
Kucinich and singer-supporter Willie Nelson objected to the party oath that a presidential candidate must "fully support" the party's eventual nominee. Kucinich crossed out the oath when he filed for a spot on the primary ballot.
A federal judge in Austin ruled against Kucinich last week. U.S. District Judge Lee Yeakel ruled the state party has the right to require the oath. Kucinich and Nelson argued it violated Kucinich's First Amendment right to free speech.
Texas said its deadline is Saturday to print absentee ballots so that they can reach overseas voters in time for the March 4 primary.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/scotus_kucinich_texas;_ylt=AgBYH4bhDue1pFpcRwrBZ0cDW7oF |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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| igotthisguitar wrote: |
Supreme Court Denies Kucinich Ballot Bid
Fri Jan 18, 2:50 PM ET
WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court on Friday allowed Texas to print presidential primary ballots without Democratic candidate Dennis Kucinich's name.
The court refused to step into a dispute between Kucinich and the Texas Democratic Party over a loyalty oath all candidates must sign to make the ballot.
Kucinich and singer-supporter Willie Nelson objected to the party oath that a presidential candidate must "fully support" the party's eventual nominee. Kucinich crossed out the oath when he filed for a spot on the primary ballot.
A federal judge in Austin ruled against Kucinich last week. U.S. District Judge Lee Yeakel ruled the state party has the right to require the oath. Kucinich and Nelson argued it violated Kucinich's First Amendment right to free speech.
Texas said its deadline is Saturday to print absentee ballots so that they can reach overseas voters in time for the March 4 primary.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/scotus_kucinich_texas;_ylt=AgBYH4bhDue1pFpcRwrBZ0cDW7oF |
This is very disappointing. Does anyone know the vote? There have been many 5-4 decisions on this SC.
The message is any deviations from the party line will not be tolerated (as if there were much difference among the Republocrats anyway). I suspect Kucinich, when and if he withdraws from the race, wants to throw his support to Ron Paul so that's why he refused to sign the pledge. He has already said if he (DK) gets the nomination, he'd choose RP as veep. |
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