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Distance Learning MAs? Any good?
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slideaway77



Joined: 16 Jul 2007

PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:15 am    Post subject: Distance Learning MAs? Any good? Reply with quote

Anyone notice the advert for the MA in TEFL / Languages at Birmingham Univeristy?

I was considering doing a MA whilst teaching in Korea. Having already studied for a degree I am now cautious about commiting time/money towards further education. Don't want to get burned..(again)

So anyone out there recommend a good Masters or open university distance learning option/ Korean MA Uni? That will do 1 or 2 of 3 things:-

-Give me a qualification I can use for TEFL to get a University Job. Ie Recognised.

-Good value.

-Give me options to get on Teaching PGCE course in the UK/NZ/OZ.

I'm Posting on off chance someones been in a similar position and can offer me some help.

Thanks.
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Bryan



Joined: 29 Oct 2007

PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the first thing to consider is your goals.

You might be able to get a university job without the $20,000 spent on the MA, and the time. Consider how much time you could spend on the degree, when you could easily spend 3% of that time applying at multiple universities.

I am unsure what you mean by "good value." If you mean a good price for the education received, then almost all university programs are a poor value. You pay for the peice of paper, not the education. I'm sure you could invest time and a fraction of the money into an autodidactic approach.

I know those issues aren't what you were originally looking for, but they are things to consider. I have not taken a distance MA or any MA at all.
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slideaway77



Joined: 16 Jul 2007

PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Too true about degrees. I'm from the UK and I feel I did'nt get good value for the time/money put in, hense the reluctance to do an MA. I went to a converted poly(any brits out there?)

Yeah so you reckon go for the jobs regardless? Guess I'll soon see how comptetive the job market is for University jobs...

Thanks for the help.
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Craven Moorehead



Joined: 14 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unless you have the money to drop on a graduate degree without going into debt, or you get a free ride, I really don't think its worth it to get one. As far as the uni positions go, just apply. Highlight your strengths in the interview as well as your working experience, tell them you prefer a communicative approach in the classroom, ie a student centred environment with you as facilitator, and they eat it right up.

Good luck in your search!
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Shimokitazawa



Joined: 14 Dec 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Craven Moorehead wrote:
Unless you have the money to drop on a graduate degree without going into debt, or you get a free ride, I really don't think its worth it to get one. As far as the uni positions go, just apply. Highlight your strengths in the interview as well as your working experience, tell them you prefer a communicative approach in the classroom, ie a student centred environment with you as facilitator, and they eat it right up!


Unfortunately, this is true, in my opinion.

Korea doesn't reward qualified instructors. They don't require them and so don't really reward those who do have all the quals.

So, investing in a PhD or M.A., or DELTA / CELTA is more for personal, professional development or for an edge in countries and schools that do recognize related academic qualifications.

There are PhD's in Korea working alongside B.A. holders earning the same money. Sad, but true.

Until Korean universities are willing to pay higher salary scales to PhD and M.A., DELTA / CELTA holders and give perks for holding such degrees, it just isn't worth the expense, time and emotion to invest in a grad degree.
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Spongebob Squarepants



Joined: 19 Oct 2007
Location: You wanna see my caring face?, ROK

PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 12:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A while back I had applied to Birmingham, as they have a well-recognized program, but the Korean program administrator was as unhelpful as they come, so I just dropped it. I was thinking of writing Birmingham and telling them to get a new guy or risk never enrolling anyone (his name was Han something-or-other), but I never did.

I'm now enrolled in a distance MA AL-ELT done by Nottingham, and they have been very decent about everything. The 2 yr program will set you back around 13,000,000 won: around the same for distance programs by Reading, Birmingham, and Leicester.

Just started, and I'm enjoying it immensely.
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thorin



Joined: 14 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 2:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm almost done with my dissertation (Birmingham) and let me tell you 12,000 words don't write themselves. The 6 4,000 word papers didn't either. Now that I'm about to quit my uni job and not look for another one, I really wish I would have spent that 13.2 million on something else, like beer. It's 8 pm on Saturday night and I'm about to unplug my internet for another 5 hours of uninterrupted MS word.
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 2:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thorin wrote:
I really wish I would have spent that 13.2 million on something else, like beer. It's 8 pm on Saturday night and I'm about to unplug my internet for another 5 hours of uninterrupted MS word.

Thanks for the advice. It helps me decide to spend ten million won unabashedly on travelling around southern asia this spring and summer instead.

Cheers!

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Seon-bee



Joined: 24 Jan 2003
Location: ROK

PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 2:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I enjoyed my MA. But I took the extended 4-year tour, reading a whole lot of books and journals, trying out many research projects, etc. I didn't take the can-I-get-it-done-in-less-than-a-year approach.

Do it right and enroll in a UK-based course, not a diploma mill from Australia.

Is the MA investment worthwhile? Depends on your effort and ability. For me, spending the money on education was a much better use of my time and resources than drinking beer.
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Intrepid



Joined: 13 May 2004
Location: Yongin

PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 2:54 am    Post subject: On campus MA Reply with quote

You could consider an on-campus MA in the US. Don't know about the UK or elsewhere, but I really enjoyed my two years back in the US, and I didn't pay a cent for the MA. Taught undergrad courses as a TA for tuition waiver and $1200/month, then EFL courses at the language institute in the summers for $45/hour. My Asia experience was a plus, the English department liaised with some interdisciplinary programs to link me with professors who needed someone with a bit more life/world experience.
There were international students in my program, and the native English speakers (UK, etc.) were offered the same deal as I was.
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kangnam mafioso



Joined: 27 Jan 2003
Location: Teheranno

PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:14 am    Post subject: Re: On campus MA Reply with quote

Intrepid wrote:
You could consider an on-campus MA in the US. Don't know about the UK or elsewhere, but I really enjoyed my two years back in the US, and I didn't pay a cent for the MA. Taught undergrad courses as a TA for tuition waiver and $1200/month, then EFL courses at the language institute in the summers for $45/hour. My Asia experience was a plus, the English department liaised with some interdisciplinary programs to link me with professors who needed someone with a bit more life/world experience.
There were international students in my program, and the native English speakers (UK, etc.) were offered the same deal as I was.


Could you tell us where this was? I'm looking to do a traditional MA like this eventually. I haven't seen many MA Tesol programs in the USA that provide TA's like this and tuition waivers. Most MA in English programs do provide waivers and teaching composition assistantships but most of the MA Tesol programs I've come across are hideously expensive and provide limited funding for grad students (SIT, New School, etc).

Does anyone know of any other schools that provide good funding and waivers for grad students in MA Tesol? I already have an MA but it is in Literature. I would like to either do a CELTA or just go and get a 2nd MA but I'm not going to get 20,000 more in debt!
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articulate_ink



Joined: 23 Mar 2004
Location: Left Korea in 2008. Hong Kong now.

PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:38 am    Post subject: Re: On campus MA Reply with quote