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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Interactives are welcome.
Hillary dominated the Hispanic vote
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| Hispanics made up 14 percent of Democratic caucus-goers in Nevada today, and they overwhelmingly supported Clinton. She got 64 percent support from Hispanics, while Obama got 24 percent and Edwards got 9 percent. |
This is bad news for Obama in Texas and California.
But she even edged out Obama on the male vote. Economic weakness is helping Hillary. |
Hillsy dominating the Latino vote (for the record they don't really like the term Hispanic or so I've been forcefully told) makes me nervous for Obama even beyond the nomination. The stereotype of Latinos and AAs disliking each other may be in play here, and an Obama nomination might work against the Dems if a savvy Rep candidate can play to Latinos. |
How about McCain? He'd do well with Latinos being from a Southern state. Bush being from Texas saved him the Latino vote, and he was much more savvy about it than his fellow Republicans during the immigration debate. |
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Czarjorge
Joined: 01 May 2007
Location: I now have the same moustache, and it is glorious.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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| I think you're making too much out of Nevada, Ya-ta. You're playing the same games as the pundits. McCain and Huckabee aren't going anywhere, but after listening to Freddy's speech he might be. There were way too many thank yous in there. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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| fellow Republicans during the immigration debate |
There was an article a few weeks ago about the Latinos flocking to the Democratic Party, largely because of their reaction to the general Republican stand on immigration. It looks like the Republicans have shot themselves in the foot with their Let's build a wall and shoot the wet-backs position. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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| By the way, do you know the history of the reform party in Canada? If not, you should Wiki it. It's amazing what a groundswell of dissent from a few passionate people can turn into. Just ask Canada's current Prime Minister, or the the PQ in Quebec. I have great hopes for what will come out of what is clearly a reaction to American politics being dominated by elite interests, and Paul is just the start. |
America's electoral system, for better or for worse, suppresses third-parties. The only way a third party really gains traction is if it swallows another party whole, like the Republican party out-did the Whigs (btw, this is evidence #104 that the Civil War was about slavery, it was one of the only times in history that a new American political party emerged and survived) |
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Czarjorge
Joined: 01 May 2007
Location: I now have the same moustache, and it is glorious.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros, I'm not sure that McCain could do it, but he would likely have the best shot to do so. I would assume that if Obama take the nomination his people will counter this problem, perhaps by picking up Richardson as VP. A mocha cocoa ticket might make redneck heads explode, thinning the numbers of Reps, another good thing for the Dems. |
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Beeyee
Joined: 29 May 2007
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| Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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Ron Paul bags 2nd place in Nevada
By: SGT News | Submitted on: 01/19/08
SOUTHERN ARIZONA (SGT NEWS) - So-called long shot candidate Ron Paul managed to finish 2nd place in the Nevada caucuses held today, which proves the Texas Representative may have more support around the country, and especially out west, than he's getting credit for.
Romney destroyed the competition in Nevada with over 50% of the vote and finished first. Ron Paul came in second with 13%, and John McCain finished third, also with 13% but with fewer popular votes than Paul.
Independents overwhelmingly supported Paul in the western state, which clearly helped propel Paul into a much needed second place finish. Normally, independents support the much more liberal John McCain.
Fred Thompson finished fourth, Mike Huckabee fifth and Rudy Giuliani, again falling far short of popular expectations, came in a distant sixth place. Duncan Hunter rounded out the GOP candidates with a seventh place finish, barely picking up 2% of the vote.
http://www.smallgovtimes.com/story/08jan19.paul.second.place/ |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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Get your feet back on the ground, beeyee. In a state where the other candidates didn't actively campaign much because Romney had the Mormon vote sewed up, second place is not all that good. Look at the vote totals.
As I said earlier today, this 15% will give the Paulistas another week of false hopes and we'll get another week of the RP tsunami self-pertetuating myth. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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| What's wrong with people having someone they believe in? You seem to take issue with the political process being subverted by the people. I find it refreshing. |
Nothing, as long as they aren't doing anything to harm either themselves or anyone else. In this particular case especially, it's keeping the wingnuts preoccupied and out of everyone else's hair while doing no harm. The only thing wrong is you Canadians giving false hope to gullible Americans and helping them sustain their illusions. I don't think that's very nice of you. And I doubt you would much appreciate US citizens sending money north to fund Canadian secessionists. But perhaps you see nothing wrong with double standards. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Beeyee wrote: |
| Ron Paul bags 2nd place in Nevada... |
Whoop-dee-dee.
Ron Paul won about four percent of the vote in South Carolina and finished fifth out of six nationally-known candidates. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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Whoop-dee-dee.
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I would say it as "whoop-dee-do". Maybe there is a regional difference as to how that sentiment is expressed.
Either way, not important. The fact remains that the coffin lid is slowly being nailed shut on the RP campaign. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
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| Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Czarjorge wrote: |
| Kuros, I'm not sure that McCain could do it, but he would likely have the best shot to do so. I would assume that if Obama take the nomination his people will counter this problem, perhaps by picking up Richardson as VP. A mocha cocoa ticket might make redneck heads explode, thinning the numbers of Reps, another good thing for the Dems. |
Czar, I wouldn't underestimate McCain (again not that I'd vote for him). If Guiliani falls on his head Feb 5th and McCain does well, I think the Republicans could have a two person horserace. |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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Nevada was a lot more interesting than South Carolina.
Edwards only 5%!  That makes sense, then the race has been reduced to Obama vs Clinton, but Nevada really made that clear.
Ron Paul in 2nd for Republicans equally interesting. The Western states are definetely different in thinking than the Eastern ones. |
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