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teacherlisa



Joined: 17 Jun 2007
Location: Suwon,Korea

PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 6:33 pm    Post subject: Jewish Community Reply with quote

Is there one in Korea? A synagogue in Seoul perhaps?
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bellum99



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I highly doubt it...there can't be that many permanent resident Jewish people in Korea.
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OiGirl



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: Hoke-y-gun

PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It used to be possible to get an escort to take you on Yongsan base to attend services. Not sure if this is still possible.

After some discussion here last year, I'm thinking of doing a seder this year, but I'm way down south.
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lastat06513



Joined: 18 Mar 2003
Location: Sensus amo Caesar , etiamnunc victus amo uni plebian

PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are no synagogues in the Seoul area, or in NE asia for that matter....the closest one I know about was in Burma and I think they closed it down in 1992 as it were for the tiny community that settled there as refugees before, during and after WWII. And they just closed the only synagogue in Afghanistan 3 or so years ago after more than 200 years because most of the jewish community emmigrated to Israel.

Ironically, the only known synagogues that I know about are in Iran, which still has a tiny proportioned community there, though under constant persecution by the Ayatollah and the clerical leadership....

My suggestion would be to get a group together and conduct Saturday prayer in someone's home.

And religious escorts are not done by the chaplain onbase anymore.......it is up to the person to find someone who will escort them onbase......the best advice I can give for this is to get the number to any of the three multi-religious chaples and find out which one has jewish services and then speak to the chaplain and see if he can put you in contact with a person who can take you onbase for temple.....the number for the Yongsan operator is 02-7913-1110 and ask for the number for the Main Post Chaple and you can start your search from there......


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OiGirl



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: Hoke-y-gun

PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very active Jewish community in Tokyo, I think one also in Shanghai.

Edit: Links:

http://www.jccjapan.or.jp/
http://www.chabadjapan.org/indexe.htm
http://www.chinajewish.org/
http://www.chabadchina.org/

There seem to be a mixture of expatriate Jews and some rescued at the time of Shoah by Asian diplomats.
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Trevor



Joined: 16 Nov 2005

PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 4:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The small but vibrant Jewish community in Iran has been living in remarkably good terms with their neighbors for hundreds, if not thousands of years. An occasional local rift does not merit your blanket condemnation. "Constant persecution" is flat out false and gratuitously misleading.

lastat06513 wrote:
There are no synagogues in the Seoul area, or in NE asia for that matter....the closest one I know about was in Burma and I think they closed it down in 1992 as it were for the tiny community that settled there as refugees before, during and after WWII. And they just closed the only synagogue in Afghanistan 3 or so years ago after more than 200 years because most of the jewish community emmigrated to Israel.

Ironically, the only known synagogues that I know about are in Iran, which still has a tiny proportioned community there, though under constant persecution by the Ayatollah and the clerical leadership....

My suggestion would be to get a group together and conduct Saturday prayer in someone's home.

And religious escorts are not done by the chaplain onbase anymore.......it is up to the person to find someone who will escort them onbase......the best advice I can give for this is to get the number to any of the three multi-religious chaples and find out which one has jewish services and then speak to the chaplain and see if he can put you in contact with a person who can take you onbase for temple.....the number for the Yongsan operator is 02-7913-1110 and ask for the number for the Main Post Chaple and you can start your search from there......
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lastat06513



Joined: 18 Mar 2003
Location: Sensus amo Caesar , etiamnunc victus amo uni plebian

PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yet, when you read articles about rallies in Tehran where the protesters yell "Death to America!" or Death to Israel", a person tends to get a point that they were generally speaking about the jewish influence in both governments toward foreign policy.......
And recently, the Iranian government is making non-muslims where an ideantification tag on their outer garments to mark them identifiable as being non-muslims.........to my knowledge, the only other country I know that did that was Germany around 1937 to 1945

A local rift?
I doubt a shop getting shookdown by the hezb'allah "moral police" because the owner is a non-muslim can be seen as a mere "rift". Or a person is stopped on the street and told to pay a fine because they didn't wear the tag that identifies them as a non-muslim, that also can't be seen a mere "rift" between locals........


I am not going to get into a theologically political debate here, I just came to give some advice to the OP about Jewish worship services and how he should go about finding info about Jewish worship services in the Seoul area, where applicable.............

Other than that......have a nice day Smile
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jvalmer



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lastat06513 wrote:

And recently, the Iranian government is making non-muslims where an ideantification tag on their outer garments to mark them identifiable as being non-muslims.........to my knowledge, the only other country I know that did that was Germany around 1937 to 1945



Badge story is false. National Post printed a kind of retraction or their original sotry. Also, this paper is a very pretty pro-american/isreal paper, so it took alot for them to print this. Also, keep that in mind when reading about the critism of Iran in the article.

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=6626a0fa-99de-4f1e-aebe-bb91af82abb3
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Trevor



Joined: 16 Nov 2005

PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Recently Israel bribed -- yes, bribed -- 200 Iranian Jews to emigrate to Israel as a propaganda ploy.

Background here on the Wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Jews

They were paid $10,000 each. A total of two million dollars in what amounted to be an embarassment from all the negative publicity the promo got.

Here is another article in which leaders of the Iranian Jewish community speak out against the Israeli government's blatant political hucksterism:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/story/0,,2125155,00.html


How absurd. As I mentioned before, Persian Jews get along fine in Iran --arguably better than any other moslem country, that is, when someone isn't pandering for their victimhood-status.


lastat06513 wrote:
Yet, when you read articles about rallies in Tehran where the protesters yell "Death to America!" or Death to Israel", a person tends to get a point that they were generally speaking about the jewish influence in both governments toward foreign policy.......
And recently, the Iranian government is making non-muslims where an ideantification tag on their outer garments to mark them identifiable as being non-muslims.........to my knowledge, the only other country I know that did that was Germany around 1937 to 1945

A local rift?
I doubt a shop getting shookdown by the hezb'allah "moral police" because the owner is a non-muslim can be seen as a mere "rift". Or a person is stopped on the street and told to pay a fine because they didn't wear the tag that identifies them as a non-muslim, that also can't be seen a mere "rift" between locals........


I am not going to get into a theologically political debate here, I just came to give some advice to the OP about Jewish worship services and how he should go about finding info about Jewish worship services in the Seoul area, where applicable.............

Other than that......have a nice day Smile
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lastat06513



Joined: 18 Mar 2003
Location: Sensus amo Caesar , etiamnunc victus amo uni plebian

PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Badge story is false. National Post printed a kind of retraction or their original sotry. Also, this paper is a very pretty pro-american/isreal paper, so it took alot for them to print this. Also, keep that in mind when reading about the critism of Iran in the article.


It was quite real, especially if someone who had met a person who had to wear such a badge (I met a businessman here in New Haven who recently came from Iran and when the badge regulation went into effect, he packed up everything and headed to the US with his family).....

I just did alittle digging into the story and the policy was only retracted AFTER allies like China and Russia "persuaded them to discard it (they didn't want to be seen in the eyes of the west to be doing business with a religiously bigotted country as Iran and they said that it would be in Iran's best interest not to impliment the policy, especially with its nuclear row going on.........

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As I mentioned before, Persian Jews get along fine in Iran --arguably better than any other moslem country, that is, when someone isn't pandering for their victimhood-status.


Do you have relatives who have serial numbers tatooed on their arms?
Do you have relatives who cry everytime they talk about the conditions in the camps throughout Eastern Europe?
Do you support a country that openly denies the exsitence of the holocaust and vows to wipe a country from the face of the earth just because of the inhabitants religion?


Iran being "tolerant"?

They are forbade from holding senior offices in government, in the military and "strong-armed" into towing the government line with black-hooded thugs in the background ready to burn their shops if they don't. They only allow it as an official religion as a showboat to the world that they are tolerant.........very far from the truth..........

I am only "assuming" my comments?
Have you met an Iranian or Persian Jewish person or any jewish person from a pogram-instituted country like Iran, Afghanistan and Russia?

and victimhood?.....well......
Did you lose any relatives in the holocaust?....tell me?....did you?.......

It is pretty cozy for you to sit back and slam people without having any first-hand knowledge of things............that, my friend, is VERY sad.........

Until you get some first-hand knowledge of things.........take care and have a very pleasant day full of sunshine Very Happy
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OiGirl



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 5:03 pm    Post subject: Jewish Community in Korea, not Iran! Reply with quote

I thought the original post was much more interesting than this ego-fight over Jews in other parts of Asia.

Anyone else have any resources or ideas for Jewish worship in Korea?
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Trevor



Joined: 16 Nov 2005

PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lastat, it took you exactly three posts to turn into a tattooo--weilding holocaust rant after clearly being refuted point by point on your "constant persecution" propaganda.

Further, you mentioned that Jews in Iran "are forbade from holding senior offices in government..."

Odd, Iran has a Jewish MP. Last time I checked, MP was a senior office.

(BTW, you are on shaky ground if you want to start comparing human and political rights in Israel versus Moslem countries).


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Trevor



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 6:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Jewish Community in Korea, not Iran! Reply with quote

Good point. He was also incorrect on their being no Jewish communities closer than Burma, as previous posters have shown. Conservatively, there is one as near as Japan. I would be surprised if someone doesn't post or PM you about a community in Seoul.

OiGirl wrote:
I thought the original post was much more interesting than this ego-fight over Jews in other parts of Asia.

Anyone else have any resources or ideas for Jewish worship in Korea?
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kitekid



Joined: 31 Aug 2005
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 6:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Jewish Community Reply with quote

gotta love dave's misinformed. Rolling Eyes


teacherlisa wrote:
Is there one in Korea? A synagogue in Seoul perhaps?


yes, on post.

There are about 100 families in the Seoul, including US military personnel and their families. Religious services are held at the South Post Chapel, building 3702

Chaplain (LTC) Avi Weiss Tel: 02-7913-6707
email: avi.weiss at us.army.mil

Civilians welcome to participate


Jewish Community of the Republic of Korea
Tel: 82 2 544 0834
Fax: 82 2 796 3808
GPO Box 7595, Seoul

Israel Embassy
Dae Kong Building
Tel: 82 2 564 3448
Fax: 82 2 564 3449

823-21 Yoksam-Dong, Kangnam-KU, Seoul
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contrarian



Joined: 20 Jan 2007
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I went to Auschwitz a few years ago. A very nasty place even now, so God knows what it was like when Jews were being gassed and cremated.

To me the place just felt . . . evil!
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