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jkelly80
Joined: 13 Jun 2007
Location: you boys like mexico?
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 Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 3:32 pm Post subject: SMOE contract question (yet again) |
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Keep in mind I've already signed and faxed this over, so I'm just curious as to what I should expect, if any SMOE people have experience with this:
So in my SMOE contract is says this in Article 7:
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Employer may designate Employee to work part time as needed at other educational facilities under the jurisdiction of the Seoul Metropolitan Office of Education. In this case, Employee shall not claim for any additional pay.
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But in Article 8 it sez this:
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Actual class instruction hours of Employee shall not exceed twenty-two (22) hours per week. If, however, Employee's actual weekly class instruction hours exceed twenty-two (22) hours, Employee shall be entitled to overtime instruction pay.
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What I'm assuming is that if I'm moved off site and work less than 22 hours I don't get to claim OT just because I'm at a new place, as long as I'm under 22 hours. At least, that's what I'm hoping. I would think that 8.3 would supersede 7.3. Although since only the Korean is binding, I guess all this is academic, right? |
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Rapacious Mr. Batstove
Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Location: Central Areola
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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Moving teachers around schools by SMOE used to happen a lot a few years ago. Now they really want to have one FT working at every school.
I haven't heard of a SMOE FT in two years who has been asked to work at more than one school during normal work hours.
This doesn't include afterschool programmes of course. |
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jkelly80
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Rapacious Mr. Batstove wrote: |
Moving teachers around schools by SMOE used to happen a lot a few years ago. Now they really want to have one FT working at every school.
I haven't heard of a SMOE FT in two years who has been asked to work at more than one school during normal work hours.
This doesn't include afterschool programmes of course. |
Thanks for the reply.
It's not the moving around part I'm really worried about, as I've heard they don't do that. It's the fact that they're saying "Employee shall not claim for any additional pay." I'm not sure what to make of that. What are the afterschool programs you speak of? |
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Bibbitybop
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Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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| RMB is right, it doesn't happen. If you work over 22 teaching hours in a week in SMOE, at one school or at 3, you will be paid overtime. |
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Rapacious Mr. Batstove
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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Some schools will go out of their way to make sure you cover your 22 hours, even to the extent of inventing classes for your Korean English teachers, other teachers, even parents sometimes.
My school is less anal, I work about 20 hours, which includes a class for teachers.
Afterschool programmes: These differ from school to school. Some even employ a separate FT for this - particularly elementary schools as the ASP can start at 1pm.
At middle and high schools, the FT usually has the option of teaching extra classes after school. You usually get paid extra for these classes and can be a good earner. Occasionally with permission you can teach an ASP at a school other than yours if your schedule allows it too.
These classes can be a breath of fresh air as you mostly have interested kids who work at a high level of English. You get to know them better, usually have freedom to make the curriculum and have cohesion in your classes - everything you wish the other 90% classes had. |
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Bibbitybop
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Rapacious Mr. Batstove wrote: |
Some schools will go out of their way to make sure you cover your 22 hours, even to the extent of inventing classes for your Korean English teachers, other teachers, even parents sometimes.
My school is less anal, I work about 20 hours, which includes a class for teachers.
Afterschool programmes: These differ from school to school. Some even employ a separate FT for this - particularly elementary schools as the ASP can start at 1pm.
At middle and high schools, the FT usually has the option of teaching extra classes after school. You usually get paid extra for these classes and can be a good earner. Occasionally with permission you can teach an ASP at a school other than yours if your schedule allows it too.
These classes can be a breath of fresh air as you mostly have interested kids who work at a high level of English. You get to know them better, usually have freedom to make the curriculum and have cohesion in your classes - everything you wish the other 90% classes had. |
And remember, you never HAVE to work past your regular time. So if the principal says "You teachy special class-uh from 5-7pm on Wednesdays," you can say "no thanks." |
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jkelly80
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks to you both for the info. I'm definitely down with the ASPs, but can you sign up on a short term basis, instead of committing to, say, Tuesdays and Thursdays for an entire semester? I'd be down with picking up a few extra hours here and there but don't want to commit forever.
I'm still worried about this "Employee shall not claim for any additional pay" thing. Any ideas on what that could mean down the road? |
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Bibbitybop
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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| jkelly80 wrote: |
Thanks to you both for the info. I'm definitely down with the ASPs, but can you sign up on a short term basis, instead of committing to, say, Tuesdays and Thursdays for an entire semester? I'd be down with picking up a few extra hours here and there but don't want to commit forever.
I'm still worried about this "Employee shall not claim for any additional pay" thing. Any ideas on what that could mean down the road? |
The "Employee shall not claim for any additional pay" means if you teach 10 hours at your own school and 12 hours at another school, you can't get extra pay because you are still teaching the required 22 hours. But this isn't happening to people, everyone does their 22 (or less) hours at their own school.
People who do an ASP make extra money, it's outside of regular business hours. Each ASP is a case by case basis. One man said he would teach after school and got sick of it after a month and quit doing it. Another man signed a contract stipulating a certain number of days to be taught during the semester, so he was locked into that. Each school is different. |
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jkelly80
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Bibbitybop wrote: |
| jkelly80 wrote: |
Thanks to you both for the info. I'm definitely down with the ASPs, but can you sign up on a short term basis, instead of committing to, say, Tuesdays and Thursdays for an entire semester? I'd be down with picking up a few extra hours here and there but don't want to commit forever.
I'm still worried about this "Employee shall not claim for any additional pay" thing. Any ideas on what that could mean down the road? |
The "Employee shall not claim for any additional pay" means if you teach 10 hours at your own school and 12 hours at another school, you can't get extra pay because you are still teaching the required 22 hours. But this isn't happening to people, everyone does their 22 (or less) hours at their own school.
People who do an ASP make extra money, it's outside of regular business hours. Each ASP is a case by case basis. One man said he would teach after school and got sick of it after a month and quit doing it. Another man signed a contract stipulating a certain number of days to be taught during the semester, so he was locked into that. Each school is different. |
I see. Thanks alot for the info bibbitybop and RMB you both been a big help. |
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