Site Search:
 
Speak Korean Now!
Teach English Abroad and Get Paid to see the World!
Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index Korean Job Discussion Forums
"The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Teachers from Around the World!"
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

Korean Is Very Difficult...
Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5  Next
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> General Discussion Forum
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
ABC KID



Joined: 14 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 4:38 am    Post subject: Korean Is Very Difficult... Reply with quote

Korean is regarded in the West as a difficult language to learn, an opinion that was expressed as early as 1880 by German businessman Ernst Oppert, who wrote:

"The difficulties in acquiring and properly speaking the Corean language are by no means inferior to those which beset the study of the Chinese; they are even considered by many to be infinitely greater, and they cannot be likened to the comparatively easy manner with which even foreigners are able to acquire a knowledge of Japanese in a proportionately short time.

The United States' Defense Language Institute classifies Korean alongside Arabic, Chinese, and Japanese as a Category IV language, meaning that 63 weeks of instruction (as compared to just 25 weeks for French, Spanish, Portuguese, and Italian) are required to bring an English-speaking student to a limited working level of profiency in which he or she has "sufficient capability to meet routine social demands and limited job requirements" and "can deal with concrete topics in past, present, and future tense."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_language

So if this is to be believed, Korean is up there with Chinese in the difficulty stakes and takes well over twice as long as major European languages to learn Shocked

So, if like me, your Korean is not where you want it to be or you have tried and failed, don't despair because Korean is bloody difficult! Sad
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
mistermasan



Joined: 20 Sep 2007
Location: 10+ yrs on Dave's ESL cafe

PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 4:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

if you think something is difficult, it will be difficult. maybe the DLI is just wrong.i used to live in backwater taiwan. they used to bring in young ladies from SEA to look after grampa. they would arrive in country w/ no chinese skills and after two months or so could carry on sparkling conversations.

but, yeah, we really could do w/ some improved methodology in foreign language training. you know korean is a western script and related to all western alphabets?

the korean ㅍ is but the greek pi (3.14) disguised. the korean ㄱ is but gamma.

there is so much english "embedded" in korean it is an addictive game to spot where it isn't.

fascinating indeed that a german in 1880 had knowledge of the US DLI's assessment of Chinese just 15 years after the US civil war. Wink
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
pesawattahi



Joined: 30 Sep 2007
Location: it rubs the lotion on it's skin or else it gets the hose again

PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 5:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They classify languages based on difficulty for native english speakers to learn since that is who theoretically that is who would be attending that school. On the other hand it is very easy for Japanese to learn Korean since the 2 languages have similar grammar and share many of the same Chinese words which are pronounced slightly differently.

Its amazing how people born 100 years apart can say the exact same thing and can continue to be correct isn't it?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
mistermasan



Joined: 20 Sep 2007
Location: 10+ yrs on Dave's ESL cafe

PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 5:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

learning korean in 1880 would have been much harder for a westerner than 2007. well before 1880 and up until the end of the japanese occupation (circa 1945) reading korean woulda required knowledge of both the korean script and chinese characters as they were used together.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
littlelisa



Joined: 12 Jun 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 5:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've found Korean harder than Chinese, personally, so I'll agree. But it's certainly not the hardest one I've studied. The award for that one would go to Classical Chinese. If you're looking for a difficult language to learn, forget modern Chinese and Korean, and go study Classical Chinese. I guarantee that it's way harder. Compared to that, Korean is a breeze. Wink
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
pesawattahi



Joined: 30 Sep 2007
Location: it rubs the lotion on it's skin or else it gets the hose again

PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 6:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
learning korean in 1880 would have been much harder for a westerner than 2007.


Actually I think it may have been easier back then. Usually educated people would study Latin and Greek at a young age and would have a much better disposed to learn foriegn languages than today.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
kingplaya4



Joined: 14 May 2006

PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The volume of vocabulary in Korean that one needs to know seems to be immense.

Also, I don't know if this is just me, but when a word gets conjugated, it sometimes sounds nothing like the original word, or sounds like another word altogether.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
CasperTheFriendlyGhost



Joined: 28 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've made various attempts to learn Korean. First it was the alphabet. Then phrases. Then sentence construction and vocabulary. Pretty much you can gt by without it. Learning more Korean can yield in more rich cultural experiences because you'll probably be more confident to explore.

However, you never not find yourself being jabbered at in a gibberish you don't understand.

I only understand the Korean that I've used. When you use some Korean, Koreans will 'open the floddgtes' on you. Whereas in America, when faced with a foreigner with limited profceincy, we slow down (and speak loudly for some reason) and use the most simple grammar possible. In Korea adjustments to the language aren't made to help you out. At best I can pick out one or two words in a volly and try to go from there.

It's usually easier to get along if I feign having no Korean.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
littlelisa



Joined: 12 Jun 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CasperTheFriendlyGhost wrote:
I've made various attempts to learn Korean. First it was the alphabet. Then phrases. Then sentence construction and vocabulary. Pretty much you can gt by without it. Learning more Korean can yield in more rich cultural experiences because you'll probably be more confident to explore.

However, you never not find yourself being jabbered at in a gibberish you don't understand.

I only understand the Korean that I've used. When you use some Korean, Koreans will 'open the floddgtes' on you. Whereas in America, when faced with a foreigner with limited profceincy, we slow down (and speak loudly for some reason) and use the most simple grammar possible. In Korea adjustments to the language aren't made to help you out. At best I can pick out one or two words in a volly and try to go from there.

It's usually easier to get along if I feign having no Korean.


Not always true, thank goodness! My friends are excellent like this (and don't do teh useless talking louder thing, either). They slow down and repeat key vocab, say it in its root form in case that helps, and sometimes mime things out. Also throw in a few English words here and there if they can. That often makes the rest of the Korean easier to understand.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
GoldMember



Joined: 24 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is why Koreans are more intelligent than anyone else, they have the ability to easily learn a difficult "scientific" language better than anyone else.
The biggest problem with learning Korean is that the learning materials/books are crappola.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Atavistic



Joined: 22 May 2006
Location: How totally stupid that Korean doesn't show in this area.

PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pesawattahi wrote:
Quote:
learning korean in 1880 would have been much harder for a westerner than 2007.


Actually I think it may have been easier back then. Usually educated people would study Latin and Greek at a young age and would have a much better disposed to learn foriegn languages than today.


And while they may have had to learn Chinese characters, chances were they were learning it to read and write, not speak and listen...
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
bellum99



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: don't need to know

PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GoldMember wrote:
This is why Koreans are more intelligent than anyone else, they have the ability to easily learn a difficult "scientific" language better than anyone else.
The biggest problem with learning Korean is that the learning materials/books are crappola.


What? Say again.... I have not found them to be more intelligent than any group of people.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message AIM Address Yahoo Messenger MSN Messenger
CentralCali



Joined: 17 May 2007

PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mistermasan wrote:
learning korean in 1880 would have been much harder for a westerner than 2007. well before 1880 and up until the end of the japanese occupation (circa 1945) reading korean woulda required knowledge of both the korean script and chinese characters as they were used together.


When I first learned Korea, from 1977 to 1979, the language was written with Chinese characters in addition to Hangeul letters. The mixed script system was in use then for newspapers, subtitles, books, etc.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Justin Hale



Joined: 24 Nov 2007
Location: the Straight Talk Express

PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's got a phonetic alphabet with hardly any inconsistency. Learn to read it and buy some books and you're away!

English is much more difficult for Koreans than vice versa. I know Western guys who have made an effort and they've all got pretty far with it. The main problem in English is spelling and pronunciation. Because Korean is so easy and consistent, to a Korean person, especially those not too bright who have English imposed on them, English spelling and pronunciation seems so inconsistent as to be almost random.

I agree Korean is difficult. I still have times when I understand nothing of what's been said. I would imagine though that Chinese, Arabic or an African language or something would be more difficult than Korean.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Ilsanman



Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea

PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't agree. It's not hard at all.

I find Koreans use this 'our language is difficult' as a point of pride. They hear it once and never forget it.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> General Discussion Forum All times are GMT - 8 Hours
Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5  Next
Page 1 of 5

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


This page is maintained by the one and only Dave Sperling.
Contact Dave's ESL Cafe
Copyright © 2018 Dave Sperling. All Rights Reserved.

Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group

TEFL International Supports Dave's ESL Cafe
TEFL Courses, TESOL Course, English Teaching Jobs - TEFL International