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tomwaits
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 Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 4:35 am Post subject: Germany going "smoke-free," |
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http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world/story/0,,2243763,00.html
Always knew therewas a sort of "kindred spirit" thing between the 3rd Reich and the anti-smoking crowd. Didn't realize until now there is a LITERAL connection.
Intersting story... |
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Thunndarr
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 4:37 am Post subject: |
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| /crosses Germany off the list of countries to visit. |
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skconqueror
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 4:59 am Post subject: |
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Sweet.. Awesome.. I applaud them for there understanding of the effects of second hand smoke on non smokers.  |
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Binch Lover
Joined: 25 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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| /crosses Germany off the list of countries to visit. |
You may soon have to cross off most of Europe. Ireland, Italy, France, Scotland and now Germany. I enjoy a smoke when I drink but I still think this is a good thing. I smoke less when I'm in Ireland than here (also because of the price of cigarettes) and I don't smell like an ashtray after a session in the pub. It's also a good way to meet women in the outside smoking areas! |
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Hanson
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 12:01 am Post subject: |
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| The world is going crazy... |
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peppermint
Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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How is this news? Didn't this happen in most of Canada 5 years ago?
I'm not one of those super anti smoker types, but the laws make sense to me. Most bar and restaurant staff don't get paid very well, certainly not enough to justify the elevated cancer risks from secondhand smoke. |
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safeblad
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 12:32 am Post subject: |
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How is this news? Didn't this happen in most of Canada 5 years ago?
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because Germany is both more important and more interesting than Canada |
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SuperHero
Joined: 10 Dec 2003
Location: Superhero Hideout
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 12:44 am Post subject: |
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| Def Leppard - 80's hair metal! woot |
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Hanson
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The owner of the Mouse Trap pub in Schleswig-Holstein has lodged an application to turn it into a church. 'I consider the burning of tobacco to be a religious practice,' said Dirk Bruckner, who already boasts around 400 followers.
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Justin Hale
Joined: 24 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 6:13 am Post subject: |
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Campaigners for smokers' rights have been quick to draw on the comparison between the recent clampdown and the little-known nationwide tobacco ban introduced by the Nazis in 1941 as part of their quest for bodily and racial purity.
While few Germans would dare to point it out publicly, for fear of appearing to praise the Nazi era, some of the most advanced research into the links between tobacco consumption and lung cancer was carried out under the Nazis.
Under the supervision of the Institute for Tobacco Hazards Research, the ban was imposed in every public building and public space, including air-raid shelters, with Hitler even personally intervening in 1944 to ensure it was extended to trains and buses in order to protect young female conductors. It was even pointed out that Hitler, Mussolini and Franco were all non-smokers, while the 'evil enemies' - Churchill, Roosevelt and Stalin - all enjoyed a tobacco fix.
'Some feel a deep necessity nowadays to distance themselves from the Nazi position - according to which cigarettes were damaging to the idea of the "ideal German Aryan" - and to stand up in favour of smokers' rights because that equates to standing up for democracy and the freedom of expression,' says Bernd Schmidt, 38
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The age-old Hitler fallacy:
1. Hitler believed/did X
2. Therefore X sucks
Obviously, even though it was based on the bunk ideas of racial supremacy, the Nazis had some ideas about tobacco and public health nearly 70 years ahead of their time. Equally obviously, it doesn't make you a neo-Nazi for acknowledging as much. The Nazis also invented Methadone, meaning every time it's administered all over the world, it is tacit support for Hitler and the Holocaust, eh? |
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roscoe2000
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 8:11 am Post subject: |
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| it's nice to see that slowly but surely, the world is going smoke free...i believe asia will be the last bastion of smokers. |
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Bryan
Joined: 29 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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| skconqueror wrote: |
| Sweet.. Awesome.. I applaud them for there understanding of the effects of second hand smoke on non smokers. |
What effects? 4 documented deaths that may have been directly attributable to second hand smoke in all of the US over decades, is what the New England Journal of Medicine reported.
The issue is not second hand smoke safety. I am a non-smoker, and I dislike it when people smoke around me. But I'm not going to die from it. Nor do I have a right to force business owners to stop allowing smoking patrons in. It's their business, not mine. I don't own their business and have no right to say what they do with it, neither does the government through my vote. I vote with my wallet and stop patronizing restaurants that are overly smoky. |
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hardr0ck68
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