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[enns]

[thepeel]

I would think privately delivered and publicly funded would be more efficient. As in, socialised medical insurance and not socialised hospitals.

I want the equality of access that has Canada and the timeliness of access of America.

[Octavius Hite]

[thepeel]

Hite, there are more than two possible health care systems. It isn't a Canada vs. America thing. France has, by almost all accounts, the most effective and efficient health care system in the world and there is heavy private involvement. It isn't an either/or.

Also, the American system is very far from 100% private.

Also also, the National Post is the only paper that deviates from the Liberal Party line. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss it. Debate and diversity of thought is needed in every country, even Trudeaupia.

[Octavius Hite]

Listen, the fact of the matter is that most of these for-profit-people always eye to the south.

If some things can be privatized (and in Canada there are many things) and still be made to work I am cool with that, but his implication was that he wants more American style health care, which is broken for the 40 million+ people without insurance or who are under insured.


And if anybody actually bothered to read the friggin article, rather than just jumping on the lets give people choice bandwagon (which is merely a smokescreen for trying to undo nationalized medicine), you would have seen that the story lauds canada's system.

We have better medical outcomes than most countries. the article points out that we have problems with patient rights and information sharing.

The problem there is that we have a federation and each province sets their own Health Care regime and they don't share info, nor do they seem to want to.

So Canada's healthcare has issues, but we are still one of the best as proven by our medical outcome results and the cost effectiveness of it all.

[enns]

Hite, I would say that your post is the typical political response whenever the health care debate in Canada surfaces. Peel has it right, this isn't a 100% public or 100% private issue. We can have a hybrid system which still ensures that Canadians receive quality care regardless of their income.

The problem is that this debate has yet to materialize. Whenever it is raised, all those who deviate from our system are branded as individuals trying to "Americanize" Canada, and the debate is instantly stifled.

Only 2 other counties in the world have our big government, 1950s style system: Cuba and North Korea. Meanwhile, the average Canadian pays around $4500 a year in taxes diverted to health care. This is going up yearly, while our global standing continues to fall.

We need to move past the "Canada vs. America" debate: no one wants an American system and I can assure you that Canadians would not allow it to be delivered. We need to look at the European powerhouses to provide quality health care to every citizen regardless of their income.

[thepeel]

I did read it, and the Canadian system does many things very well. But this idea that any reform the left doesn't like = George W Bush is well, nonsense. I would not even describe the American system as a "system" as that suggests a coherent set of institutions. It is a hodge-podge if all the worst elements of other systems.

[Octavius Hite]

enns, we already have a hybrid system in Canada. There are many private clinics for many things. Some of those I disagree with some I don't.

and again if you want to pay for healthcare you can drive or fly or take a boat or the train or a bus across the border.

Also people can fly to India or Thailand now for stuff.


The reason people defend health care so veameantly is because we have seen what happens when these ideas get started.

Most Canadians believe that everyone has a right to health care.

And if you don't want me to spin it as American vs Canadian style, please give me some examples of another country doing something privately that works and I will consider it.

[enns]

Brief Comparison of Canada's System to Those of Sweden, Germany, and the U.K.
http://osgoode.yorku.ca/media2.nsf/83303ffe5af03ed585256ae6005379c9/649135adf0264c4c8525701c004efc33/$FILE/TwoTier.pdf
yes, it's from the National Post but cites the Supreme Court of Canada and official government sources while not taking an editorial tone

A Closer Look at the Swedish Model From the Fraser Institute
http://www.fraserinstitute.org/commerce.web/newsrelease.aspx?nid=3898

Read before questioning the sources...

[pesawattahi]

We in the U.S. would like to thank you and your wonderful socialized health care system that has brought the world all of the latest innovations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pharmaceutical_companies

[Octavius Hite]

You're welcome, I guess thats why all your seniors drive to Canada to buy those great drugs.

[pesawattahi]

Well we can't all be perfect like you.

http://www1.umn.edu/umnnews/Feature_Stories/A_hard_pill_to_swallow_why_U.S._drug_prices_are_so_high.html

You learn something new every day, I thought you guys got cheap drugs because the were held to a different standard (You would have to watch the news in the U.S. to believe this) but it is actually what I suspected. Poorer counries get a discount, have fun with the new Loon. I can't wait till we crash and burn.

[Kuros]

[mindmetoo]

[mindmetoo]