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Hanson

Joined: 20 Oct 2004
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:03 pm Post subject: Building Maintenance Sucks - Should I Pay the Fee? |
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The building where I live - a villa - has recently been bought by a new owner. The new owner seems to have different expectations from me pertaining to building up-keep.
My gripes include:
- There's a dog in my building that is let free to run around. It poops everywhere and the crap stays there for days, even upto a week.
- The stairwell, which used to be cleaned quite well every week is now only being cleaned once a month, and it's a half-assed job.
- The garbage collection area on the street has gone to hell in a hand basket. The tenants in our building often don't use the appropriate waste bags (they're orange-colored where I am), and so the garbage collectors refuse to pick anything up. The result is an overflowing bin with food waste that the strays get into.
All of these things I consider to be part of "maintenance". We refused to pay for November, but now the new owner is asking for his maintenance fee for December, and I don't want to pay it.
Would you pay the maintenance fee? My worry is that he'll just take it out of our key money when we leave if I don't pay... |
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marlow
Joined: 06 Feb 2005
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:10 pm Post subject: Re: Building Maintenance Sucks - Should I Pay the Fee? |
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Hanson wrote: |
Would you pay the maintenance fee? |
I'd move. He sounds cheap, so good luck getting your key money back. |
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aaabank
Joined: 27 Feb 2007
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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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I feel the same way about the maintenance fee. If the owner of the building isn't keeping up their end of the deal (maintaining the building), the fee shouldn't have to be paid. Unfortunately, I believe you are correctly predicting that the money would just be taken out of your key money at the end of your stay.
The only options I see are that you could call the owner/manager of the building to demand changes, or you could then call the local government housing department and file a complaint. |
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Young FRANKenstein

Joined: 02 Oct 2006 Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:23 am Post subject: Re: Building Maintenance Sucks - Should I Pay the Fee? |
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Hanson wrote: |
All of these things I consider to be part of "maintenance". We refused to pay for November, but now the new owner is asking for his maintenance fee for December, and I don't want to pay it.
Would you pay the maintenance fee? My worry is that he'll just take it out of our key money when we leave if I don't pay... |
I was in the same position about two years ago... the garbage was not picked up for WEEKS, and that just meant we were infested with rats (thank the gods I was on the top floor). Light bulbs would go weeks without being changed, the hallways were NEVER swept, etc etc. Man, the garbage problem alone was bad enough, especially at the height of summer... it stunk to high heaven with all the rotting food in the compost bin.
I wrote up a letter detailing the problem(s), and stated if they were not addressed, then I would no longer be paying the maintenance fee. I stated that the maintenance fee is FOR MAINTENANCE... and if there is no maintenance being done, then there will be no need for a fee to be paid. Nothing was done, so I refused to pay the following month.
I sent the letter once more, again stating that I would not pay the next month's fees if the problems were not addressed. Nothing was done, so I refused to pay.
It took three months and three letters before things were cleaned and fixed. I never did pay the back-fees. They did nothing during those months to earn it. |
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mr. positive

Joined: 02 Jan 2008 Location: a happy place
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 7:08 am Post subject: |
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Good on ya, Young FRANKenstein, I'm honestly very surprised it worked out so well, but I'm happy for you. In my "secure" building a side door was left unlocked for about two weeks, even though a "security" person was sitting at a desk watching people walk through it the whole two weeks. If I wasn't in such a good neighborhood, I'd be a bit nervous leaving my wife and baby home all day... |
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Young FRANKenstein

Joined: 02 Oct 2006 Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 7:35 am Post subject: |
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mr. positive wrote: |
Good on ya, Young FRANKenstein, I'm honestly very surprised it worked out so well, |
They didn't have a choice. (1) the fee was dropped on us unannounced mid-contract and without anything in writing, and (2) the apartment was part of the contract... there was no way they could force me to pay it, nor could they evict me for not. I could just point at the contract to the clause that says they must provide the apartment, but nowhere in the entire document did it say I had to pay a maintenance fee.
They could not like it all they want, but I'll be damned if I was going to pay money to a guy for doing nothing. |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007 Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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I think your best bet is to:
1. Write a letter as above.
2. Have a Korean friend write you a letter for your neighbors to read, explaining the problem and that you'd like them to also sign the letter you are sending.
My former apartment complex (new) was charging us huge fees for dumb things we didn't need. By law, they had to make a list of building fees available, and I got one. The type was in about font size 4. This included 1 million won per month for a water cooler out front which nobody used (cost spread out over the whole building, but still), and paying a guy 2 million won per month to water a few plants on a balcony three times per day. They were even charging us the heat and maintenance fees of the unoccupied apartments! The ajumma got together and made a petition. They came to my door, and I signed it. It worked. My total monthly bill dropped by almost 100,000. |
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cdninkorea

Joined: 27 Jan 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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How about this:
Write a letter, in Korean, stating all the problems. Say that if everyone gets together and refuses to pay the maintenance fee it will work, Tape it to everyone's door.
Would this work? |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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cdninkorea wrote: |
How about this:
Write a letter, in Korean, stating all the problems. Say that if everyone gets together and refuses to pay the maintenance fee it will work, Tape it to everyone's door.
Would this work? |
Yeah where's the ajumma committee on this one? |
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