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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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At least the guy was apprehended, tried, convicted of a crime and sentenced.
A foreign girl in Korea would have been ignored by the police, or told that she should be flattered because her attacker liked her. |
What a dumb thing to say. |
I don't really know what the point is of making this a Korea Vs. Canada thing. The crime occured in Canada, the perpetrator was tried in a Canadian court, and released early according to the provisions of Canadian law. How things would have been done in the victim's homeland is really of no concern here. |
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thepeel
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| Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 10:56 am Post subject: |
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| Those French kids found in a freezer were a source of police/media attention. |
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peppermint
Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:56 am Post subject: |
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| jkelly80 wrote: |
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At least the guy was apprehended, tried, convicted of a crime and sentenced.
A foreign girl in Korea would have been ignored by the police, or told that she should be flattered because her attacker liked her. |
What a dumb thing to say. |
Dumb yes, but still true, at least in my, and a number of other female posters experience. |
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Beej
Joined: 05 Mar 2005
Location: Eungam Loop
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| Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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| On the other hand wrote: |
| jkelly80 wrote: |
| Beej wrote: |
At least the guy was apprehended, tried, convicted of a crime and sentenced.
A foreign girl in Korea would have been ignored by the police, or told that she should be flattered because her attacker liked her. |
What a dumb thing to say. |
I don't really know what the point is of making this a Korea Vs. Canada thing. The crime occured in Canada, the perpetrator was tried in a Canadian court, and released early according to the provisions of Canadian law. How things would have been done in the victim's homeland is really of no concern here. |
The OP wrote his post comparing Canada to Korea. Asking " isnt this Canadian behavior just as heinous as the treatment foreigners receive in Korea." My reply was just following along those lines.
Its not a dumb thing to say in this context and sadly its very true. |
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jkelly80
Joined: 13 Jun 2007
Location: you boys like mexico?
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| Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Beej wrote: |
| On the other hand wrote: |
| jkelly80 wrote: |
| Beej wrote: |
At least the guy was apprehended, tried, convicted of a crime and sentenced.
A foreign girl in Korea would have been ignored by the police, or told that she should be flattered because her attacker liked her. |
What a dumb thing to say. |
I don't really know what the point is of making this a Korea Vs. Canada thing. The crime occured in Canada, the perpetrator was tried in a Canadian court, and released early according to the provisions of Canadian law. How things would have been done in the victim's homeland is really of no concern here. |
The OP wrote his post comparing Canada to Korea. Asking " isnt this Canadian behavior just as heinous as the treatment foreigners receive in Korea." My reply was just following along those lines.
Its not a dumb thing to say in this context and sadly its very true. |
Give me a break. If you can provide some concrete examples of a native Korean savagely maiming a western student for life in Korea and then being released from jail after five years, then you might have a point. Otherwise you're entirely too glib and cavalier. |
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Roch
Joined: 24 Apr 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 12:21 am Post subject: |
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| jkelly80 wrote: |
| Beej wrote: |
| On the other hand wrote: |
| jkelly80 wrote: |
| Beej wrote: |
At least the guy was apprehended, tried, convicted of a crime and sentenced.
A foreign girl in Korea would have been ignored by the police, or told that she should be flattered because her attacker liked her. |
What a dumb thing to say. |
I don't really know what the point is of making this a Korea Vs. Canada thing. The crime occured in Canada, the perpetrator was tried in a Canadian court, and released early according to the provisions of Canadian law. How things would have been done in the victim's homeland is really of no concern here. |
The OP wrote his post comparing Canada to Korea. Asking " isnt this Canadian behavior just as heinous as the treatment foreigners receive in Korea." My reply was just following along those lines.
Its not a dumb thing to say in this context and sadly its very true. |
Give me a break. If you can provide some concrete examples of a native Korean savagely maiming a western student for life in Korea and then being released from jail after five years, then you might have a point. Otherwise you're entirely too glib and cavalier. |
The U.S. Army doctor who was murdered on I'taewon Street one afternoon several years ago is an example: His attacker got but 6 years in jail. |
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Beej
Joined: 05 Mar 2005
Location: Eungam Loop
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 1:32 am Post subject: |
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| jkelly80 wrote: |
| Beej wrote: |
| On the other hand wrote: |
| jkelly80 wrote: |
| Beej wrote: |
At least the guy was apprehended, tried, convicted of a crime and sentenced.
A foreign girl in Korea would have been ignored by the police, or told that she should be flattered because her attacker liked her. |
What a dumb thing to say. |
I don't really know what the point is of making this a Korea Vs. Canada thing. The crime occured in Canada, the perpetrator was tried in a Canadian court, and released early according to the provisions of Canadian law. How things would have been done in the victim's homeland is really of no concern here. |
The OP wrote his post comparing Canada to Korea. Asking " isnt this Canadian behavior just as heinous as the treatment foreigners receive in Korea." My reply was just following along those lines.
Its not a dumb thing to say in this context and sadly its very true. |
Give me a break. If you can provide some concrete examples of a native Korean savagely maiming a western student for life in Korea and then being released from jail after five years, then you might have a point. Otherwise you're entirely too glib and cavalier. |
I have known no less than seven foreign female teachers who have been attacked to varying degrees by Korean men here in Seoul. Granted none to the extent of the Korean girl in Vancouver.
Police did zero in all cases. Shooed the victims away. Told a few of them that they should be happy they received attention from men.
The sentencing of the guy in Vancouver was a joke and reflects poorly on Canadian justice. But at least the police did their jobs and the guy was put in jail. Nothing I have seen so far in Korea suggests the same would happen here. Probably wouldnt even make the newspapers here. |
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Beej
Joined: 05 Mar 2005
Location: Eungam Loop
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 1:33 am Post subject: |
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| jkelly80 wrote: |
| Beej wrote: |
| On the other hand wrote: |
| jkelly80 wrote: |
| Beej wrote: |
At least the guy was apprehended, tried, convicted of a crime and sentenced.
A foreign girl in Korea would have been ignored by the police, or told that she should be flattered because her attacker liked her. |
What a dumb thing to say. |
I don't really know what the point is of making this a Korea Vs. Canada thing. The crime occured in Canada, the perpetrator was tried in a Canadian court, and released early according to the provisions of Canadian law. How things would have been done in the victim's homeland is really of no concern here. |
The OP wrote his post comparing Canada to Korea. Asking " isnt this Canadian behavior just as heinous as the treatment foreigners receive in Korea." My reply was just following along those lines.
Its not a dumb thing to say in this context and sadly its very true. |
Give me a break. If you can provide some concrete examples of a native Korean savagely maiming a western student for life in Korea and then being released from jail after five years, then you might have a point. Otherwise you're entirely too glib and cavalier. |
I have known no less than seven foreign female teachers who have been attacked to varying degrees by Korean men here in Seoul. Granted none to the extent of the Korean girl in Vancouver.
Police did zero in all cases. Shooed the victims away. Told a few of them that they should be happy they received attention from men.
The sentencing of the guy in Vancouver was a joke and reflects poorly on Canadian justice. But at least the police did their jobs and the guy was put in jail. Nothing I have seen so far in Korea suggests the same would happen here. Probably wouldnt even make the newspapers here. |
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Ilsanman
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea
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| Agreed, pretty crap. I am a (former) Reform party supporter, and I was hoping for some harsh sentences for violent people. They don't deserve the privilege of freedom. |
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djsmnc
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 6:24 am Post subject: |
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| Agreed, pretty crap. I am a (former) Reform party supporter, and I was hoping for some harsh sentences for violent people. They don't deserve the privilege of freedom. |
I'm a firm believer in public execution myself |
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Troll_Bait
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: [T]eaching experience doesn't matter much. -Lee Young-chan (pictured)
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 3:41 am Post subject: Re: Horrific Justice for Korean girl attacked in Vancouver |
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I lived in South Korea for seven years and would be the last to deny that foreigners seldom enjoy impartiality and disinterested justice in that country. I was myself physically assaulted once and nothing was done to find the attacker.
When I saw this story though I wept. Xenophobia and partisanship on the one hand deny justice to foreigners in South Korea perhaps, but isn't this absolutely disgraceful piece of leniency from British Columbian courts just as heinous?
http://www.metronews.ca/story_local.aspx?id=102624 |
What happened is horrible, and should be grounds for trying to reform the system.
However, as On_The_Other_Hand mentioned, I don't understand why this has to be a "Canada vs. Korea" issue. There is no evidence -none at all- that things would have turned out any differently had the victim been a Canadian rather than a Korean. |
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junkmail
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 3:38 pm Post subject: Re: Horrific Justice for Korean girl attacked in Vancouver |
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| Troll_Bait wrote: |
What happened is horrible, and should be grounds for trying to reform the system.
However, as On_The_Other_Hand mentioned, I don't understand why this has to be a "Canada vs. Korea" issue. There is no evidence -none at all- that things would have turned out any differently had the victim been a Canadian rather than a Korean. |
Agreed. It would only be fair to make that comparison if the sentence would have been heavier had the victim been a Canadian national and, there's nothing to suggest it would.
Weak sentencing seems to be the hallmark of many countries.  |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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Justice, it seems to me, would be the creation of a legally-sanctioned fund to hire a big angry man who's job description entails following and kicking that guy in the ass really hard twice every minute.
And when the jerk complained about it, he should be shown a picture of that young woman, and then be immediately kicked again.
Forever. |
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Gladiator
Joined: 23 May 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:00 pm Post subject: Blah |
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| However, as On_The_Other_Hand mentioned, I don't understand why this has to be a "Canada vs. Korea" issue. There is no evidence -none at all- that things would have turned out any differently had the victim been a Canadian rather than a Korean. |
Yes, point taken. Korea vs Canada competing in the global injustice stakes wasn't exactly the scenario I was trying to paint, just that people from both countries are as vulnerable and at the mercy of depressingly inept bureacracies. I accept the situations aren't comparable.
I did provide a link of that really shocking judgement against a Canadian youth almost killed and left quadraplegic by axe weilding teenagers. Another shining example of Canadian justice to be proud of. Some posters have commented that weak sentencing is a feature of all countries. Well, I would say that Canadian judges and courts have a singularly queer soft spot for the nastiest and most reprehensible criminals around. Connected to this is their obssession with making sure absolutely every possible inch of slack is granted for them in their prison cells, that every human right, civil liberty and whim is made available while maximum lattitude is generously offered in sentencing. All the while, no consideration seems to be extended to the families of victims nursing devastated lifes who only have the totally reasonable expectation of punishment that fits the crime.
I can't think of a worse example of conduct from the Canadian 'Justice' system than when the Canadian Supreme Court attempted to obstruct the American authorities from extraditing woman and child butcherer Charles Ng from Alberta in the 90s because they were concerned he would get the death penalty. |
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bassexpander
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Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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Horrible.
The next time I hear a Canadian bashing the USA for its criminal justice system, I will quote this article. |
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