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jkelly80
Joined: 13 Jun 2007
Location: you boys like mexico?
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Well, not to speak for Kelly, but I sure am a religion'a'disliker.
But my big issue with religious people is that they use their science fiction as a basis for policy and enforce their bronze-age "morality" on the sane members of society. I am perfectly willing to let them go and cry to an imaginary friend unmolested. Will they grant to me the same consideration? |
Thepeel, good call on the bronze age factor. These are really old earth and sky cults that have metastasized over time into something wholly unlike their origins. You can point out dozens of Ancient Near East god-man cults, such as Adonis, Horus, Dionysus, Osiris, Mithras, etc. that pre-date the story of Jesus. They involve virgin birth, wise men, crucifixion and resurrection, and a December 25th birth date. A Church father, Tertullian, actually came up with the precept of "Diabolical Mimicry" in the third or fourth century AD: the Devil created these cults as a form of pre-emptive plagiarism. It's such an obvious ploy to take popular, but very personal and metaphorical, god-man cults and codify them into one that is rigid and authoritarian to better serve the interests of the fledgling Church.
I don't have a problem with religion, spirituality, or mysticism per se, but when it becomes rigid and codified to the point where people want to shoot abortion doctors and torture gay men to death, it becomes a problem. If people would take these stories and themes to be metaphorical, as they were intended, I wouldn't have such a distaste for current mainstream Christianity (or Islam for that matter, which has been spinning its wheels for centuries now). |
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wannago
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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| thepeel wrote: |
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| thepeel wrote: |
Well, not to speak for Kelly, but I sure am a religion'a'disliker.
But my big issue with religious people is that they use their science fiction as a basis for policy and enforce their bronze-age "morality" on the sane members of society. I am perfectly willing to let them go and cry to an imaginary friend unmolested. Will they grant to me the same consideration? |
Most will, yes. But I suspect you want most of them to not live their life by their principles...whether you believe them or not. You expect people to put their faith on a shelf and only bring it down when they go to church. It doesn't work that way. Just because you don't agree with some policies doesn't mean they are bad policies...which leads me to think you are a religiphobe..."dislike" stems from fear. Get over your fear. No one will make you have faith. |
Dislike stems from fear. Geeze. As if. Religion, however, stems from minds not properly evolved and a general inability to see a lie for a lie.
Dislike stems from idiots, yes idiots, who use their imaginary friend as a justification over more than a thousand years to oppress every single individual in a society. It still happens today, and it is only getting worse outside the west.
Progress is a movement away from religion and religiously held dogma. |
Wow. That's some real original thinking. Well, I'm sure glad you aren't one of those individuals who have been oppressed. If only I could be a progressive thinker like yourself with no hang-ups about what other people believe. Wait...that's not you...nevermind. |
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thepeel
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't care what other people believe provided they don't use the powers of the state to codify their stupid stupid stupid stupid ideas in law. |
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jkelly80
Joined: 13 Jun 2007
Location: you boys like mexico?
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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| thepeel wrote: |
| I don't care what other people believe provided they don't use the powers of the state to codify their stupid stupid stupid stupid ideas in law. |
Bingo. |
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wannago
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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| thepeel wrote: |
| I don't care what other people believe provided they don't use the powers of the state to codify their stupid stupid stupid stupid ideas in law. |
You mean as opposed to using the powers of the state to codify your stupid stupid stupid stupid ideas into law? |
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thepeel
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| Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:01 am Post subject: |
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| My stupid ideas are you leave me alone and I'll accord you the same respect. So, yes. Exactly. |
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Justin Hale
Joined: 24 Nov 2007
Location: the Straight Talk Express
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| People who believe this planet to be 6,000 years old should be cleaning public toilets for a living, not being president of the most powerful entity in the history of the human species. What a shame in 2008 transcendent ubermensch must still do battle with the intellectually inferior herd of humanity. The chiefly southern Evangelical element to the American electorate are wasting perfectly good oxygen. |
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twg
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| Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 3:37 am Post subject: |
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| You mean as opposed to using the powers of the state to codify your stupid stupid stupid stupid ideas into law? |
I think the US Constitution and Bill of Rights are fine documents and I can't understand why you social/ religious conservatives hate it so... |
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bacasper
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| Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 5:18 am Post subject: |
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| I don't care what other people believe provided they don't use the powers of the state to codify their stupid stupid stupid stupid ideas in law. |
"Scientists say that hydrogen is the building block of the universe because it is the most abundant element, but I think that stupidity is the building block because it is much more plentiful in the universe than hydrogen." - Frank Zappa |
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wannago
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| Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 6:49 am Post subject: |
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| twg wrote: |
| wannago wrote: |
| You mean as opposed to using the powers of the state to codify your stupid stupid stupid stupid ideas into law? |
I think the US Constitution and Bill of Rights are fine documents and I can't understand why you social/ religious conservatives hate it so... |
Hey, we're not the ones that raped those documents to mean nothing even close to what they were intended. That would be you religiphobes. |
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wannago
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| Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 6:52 am Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| thepeel wrote: |
| I don't care what other people believe provided they don't use the powers of the state to codify their stupid stupid stupid stupid ideas in law. |
"Scientists say that hydrogen is the building block of the universe because it is the most abundant element, but I think that stupidity is the building block because it is much more plentiful in the universe than hydrogen." - Frank Zappa |
Yes, Frank Zappa, my vote for least intelligent human...probably ever. |
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bacasper
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| Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:08 am Post subject: |
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| wannago wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
| thepeel wrote: |
| I don't care what other people believe provided they don't use the powers of the state to codify their stupid stupid stupid stupid ideas in law. |
"Scientists say that hydrogen is the building block of the universe because it is the most abundant element, but I think that stupidity is the building block because it is much more plentiful in the universe than hydrogen." - Frank Zappa |
Yes, Frank Zappa, my vote for least intelligent human...probably ever. |
Thank you for exemplifying his quote. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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Religion in politics wouldn't be so bad if the 'mercy, compassion and forgiveness' crowd were the ones seeking public office, but it's always the other ones, the 'I am an angry god, I am a jealous god, the pillar of salt arbitrary rules' crowd that wants in.
You know the crowd I mean: "Yea, God is a great deal more angry with great numbers that are now on earth: yea, doubtless, with many that are now in this congregation, who it may be are at ease, than he is with many of those who are now in the flames of hell." (Jonathan Edwards; 'Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God') |
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wannago
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Religion in politics wouldn't be so bad if the 'mercy, compassion and forgiveness' crowd were the ones seeking public office, but it's always the other ones, the 'I am an angry god, I am a jealous god, the pillar of salt arbitrary rules' crowd that wants in.
You know the crowd I mean: "Yea, God is a great deal more angry with great numbers that are now on earth: yea, doubtless, with many that are now in this congregation, who it may be are at ease, than he is with many of those who are now in the flames of hell." (Jonathan Edwards; 'Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God') |
You know Ya-ta, I'm going to have to agree with you there. IMHO too many of my fellow Christians don't do enough of the mercy, compassion and forgiveness thing. I do understand living your life by your beliefs, but I don't understand condemning everyone who doesn't believe the same.
I will also have to go further and say that non-religion in politics wouldn't be so bad if the "you believe what you want and I'll not believe what I want" crowd were the ones seeking office. But, it is always the "the minister lied to me...the bake sale was last Saturday, not this Saturday...I hate Christians, they're all liars" crowd. They have some negative experience with something in a church and that makes all Christians bad. |
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wannago
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| Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:56 am Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| thepeel wrote: |
| I don't care what other people believe provided they don't use the powers of the state to codify their stupid stupid stupid stupid ideas in law. |
"Scientists say that hydrogen is the building block of the universe because it is the most abundant element, but I think that stupidity is the building block because it is much more plentiful in the universe than hydrogen." - Frank Zappa |
Yes, Frank Zappa, my vote for least intelligent human...probably ever. |
Thank you for exemplifying his quote. |
Hey, at least I called him human. |
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