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Manner of Speaking
Joined: 09 Jan 2003
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 Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:07 pm Post subject: Re: Canada Health Care System Lags Behind Europe: Study |
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Canada ranks a dismal 23rd out of 30 countries in the "consumer friendliness'' of our health care system, according to a study by a pair of private think-tanks.
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"It's certainly not news to Canadians that diagnosis and treatment waits in Canada are long. But it is a surprise to see that we finish at the very bottom of the Index in this area," she said.
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The study also notes that Canada spends more on health care than any other country surveyed, even though it earned poorer than average results. That means Canada ranks dead last in a statistical grid the groups called the "Bang for the Buck" index. |
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080121/health_care_080121/20080121?hub=TopStories
As a Canadian, I'm not surprised. Isn't it time we considered adding some private elements into our system, as the top countries in the world do? |
The article says Canada ranks 23 out of 30 in terms of "consumer friendliness" in the health care system. This doesn't surprise me at all...after taking a trip home this summer for the first time in several years, it surprises me how little "consumer friendliness" there is in any aspect of the Canadian economy. Public or private. Whether it's Air Canada, Tim Hortons, Canada Post, service to the average consumer sucks, generally, compared to the US or Korea.
For this reason, it's not clear to me that privatizing the health care system would improve consumer friendliness, at least in Canada. We'd just have the same shoddy quality of customer service, with less accountability. |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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Listen, I know what the problems are in the US. The non comptition, non-disclosure, unregulated, etc etc etc.
However we aren't talking about the US system we're talking about Canada.
We already have a private-public blend and it grows every year. Its not working, or so I'm to believe from the article posted.
Again if you actually read what I wrote, the article is about consumer friendlyness. That is tough to fix cause in Canada each province delivers HC. So every province is different and there will never be one blanket fix. |
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enns
Joined: 02 May 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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Hite, what did you think of my links? I think it's pretty clear that there are other systems in the world(all of which maintain a "private" presence) that deliver better and more affordable health care than Canada.
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| That is tough to fix cause in Canada each province delivers HC. So every province is different and there will never be one blanket fix. |
Yes, health care is provincial jurisdiction, but the Canada Health Act is not. The CHA essentially prohibits experimentation with a private/public blend(however, this is more ambiguous after the aforementioned Supreme Court ruling). Provincial governments are tied to the CHA to receive social transfers from the Federal body and most are reticent to experiment and participate in a mixed system due to this fact.
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| We already have a private-public blend and it grows every year. Its not working |
It's not fair to claim that we already have a private/public blend. Of course there are private clinics(the plurality being in Quebec), but to imply that this is somehow the same as European models or what is being desired by reformers is inaccurate. Opening up a "two-tier" system is not what is being proposed by most Canadians who want a better system, so using that as a red herring doesn't benefit the debate. Government/private co-operation is what is needed, not the private industry going on its own, which is what is happening now.
A European style system is what is being mentioned in this article and that is what we need to find fault with, not flawed American medicare or the private clinics already present in Canada. |
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Manner of Speaking
Joined: 09 Jan 2003
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The only "reformers" of the health care system in Canada are the Fraser Institute and like-minded individuals, who are so pornographically obsessed with the free market that they would happily abolish laws against child labor. The majority of Canadians are quite satisfied with the current system and shudder at the thought of what life might be like under a privatized system like the US.
It's like Albertans trying to shove the so-called "triple E" Senate down the throats of the rest of the country; nobody else wants it. |
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Mosley
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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MOS: you can be a rational, reasonable sort when you want to be...but when you don't want to be....
You make the usual rant-driven BS claims of first-yr. sociology students about the Fraser Institute instituting "work for food" campaigns. Absolute socialistic propagandistic rubbish. And if you think only a monolithic "Alberta" wants a Triple E Senate, you've obviously got your head buried in CANADIAN DIMENSION. I guess you, as a man of the "people", are quite the fan of the current Senate arrangement.
I expect better from ya, mate. |
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enns
Joined: 02 May 2006
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 2:55 pm Post subject: |
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The only "reformers" of the health care system in Canada are the Fraser Institute and like-minded individuals, who are so pornographically obsessed with the free market that they would happily abolish laws against child labor. The majority of Canadians are quite satisfied with the current system and shudder at the thought of what life might be like under a privatized system like the US.
It's like Albertans trying to shove the so-called "triple E" Senate down the throats of the rest of the country; nobody else wants it. |
That's not true at all. I'm from Ontario. Voted NDP for a large part of my life. I am sure for a two tier system. As the other poster notes, there is almost no debate on the issue even.
End of the day, in a global health care market, how does a system that caps doctors income to 100K a year or whatever the newest figure is compete with a Canadian doc's ability to move to a private hospital in the USA and earn triple? Now multiply the problem with nurses, RNAs, etc.
Universality was a great 1970s philosophy along with the notion of crown corporations. Think about it.
Look at the end of the day, health care is finite. It is either rationed by the price system or by waiting lines. Remember how well bread lines worked for the Soviets? |
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