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| Which presidential candidate would most likely fix the U.S. economy? |
| Hillary Clinton |
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20% |
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| Barack Obama |
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10% |
[ 3 ] |
| John Edwards |
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0% |
[ 0 ] |
| Mitt Romney |
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13% |
[ 4 ] |
| Ron Paul |
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44% |
[ 13 ] |
| John McCain |
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0% |
[ 0 ] |
| Mike Huckabee |
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6% |
[ 2 ] |
| Rudy Giuliani |
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0% |
[ 0 ] |
| Dennis Kucinich |
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3% |
[ 1 ] |
| Fred Thompson |
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0% |
[ 0 ] |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Tiger Beer wrote: |
| Because of both of those reasons, based on the current President's choices and decisions, are what put us in the predicament we are in now. |
That is one hell of a reductionist cause-and-effect linkage. |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:00 am Post subject: |
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| Pluto wrote: |
| Like I said, people acting in a free market economy free from government taxes, regulation and interference is the best thing for our economy; this in turn will increase risk, innovation, investment and, yes, even job growth. |
Ron Paul isn't doing so well though.
Regarding regulation. Unfortunately it always refers to large corporations and environmental laws when they do try to reverse those things. I'd like to see a breakdown of zoning restrictions and business licenses and 1000 other things that strongly discourage small business in America. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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I love how lefties frame how Iraq is killing our economy when in fact the whole DoD budget is about 4.5% of GDP. -- What are the costs of social security, medicare and other government dependency programs.
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As a lefty, I'd like to address this. The difference is that the social programs that are horrendously expensive and are only going to get more so, are popular. The people want Social Security, Medicare and the other programs. The war is a voluntary expenditure. If Bush had been upfront about what it would cost and how long the expenses would go on, a whole lot fewer people would have bought into it. Americans are not a war-like people, regardless of what critics say. Increasingly, people are seeing the war as an unnecessary drain on the economy.
I think that is a more accurate assessment of the public attitude.
The free market spiel is just another re-stating of Reagan's trickle-down economy and people have seen what deregulation has brought us--Enron, Savings & Loan, Halliburton, now the sub-prime thing, etc. Americans are not against free market capitalism, but want reasonable regulations so they don't have to keep picking up the bill for the mistakes/criminal behavior the billionaires make.
The pure free market claptrap we hear on this forum is just a fancy way of saying: No Billionaire Left Behind. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
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I love how lefties frame how Iraq is killing our economy when in fact the whole DoD budget is about 4.5% of GDP. -- What are the costs of social security, medicare and other government dependency programs.
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As a lefty, I'd like to address this. The difference is that the social programs that are horrendously expensive and are only going to get more so, are popular. The people want Social Security, Medicare and the other programs. The war is a voluntary expenditure. If Bush had been upfront about what it would cost and how long the expenses would go on, a whole lot fewer people would have bought into it. Americans are not a war-like people, regardless of what critics say. Increasingly, people are seeing the war as an unnecessary drain on the economy.
I think that is a more accurate assessment of the public attitude.
The free market spiel is just another re-stating of Reagan's trickle-down economy and people have seen what deregulation has brought us--Enron, Savings & Loan, Halliburton, now the sub-prime thing, etc. Americans are not against free market capitalism, but want reasonable regulations so they don't have to keep picking up the bill for the mistakes/criminal behavior the billionaires make.
The pure free market claptrap we hear on this forum is just a fancy way of saying: No Billionaire Left Behind. |
First part: good point. It is a useless expenditure that has hurt the US more than helped it. Many social programs, while perhaps ineffective, at least help some people out there, and are more widely supported by the populace.
Second part I disagree with completely. Free trade works. Just look at what's happened to the global economy in the past 10-20 years. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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Which presidential candidate would most likely fix the U.S. economy?
Hillary Clinton
21% [ 6 ]
Barack Obama
10% [ 3 ]
John Edwards
0% [ 0 ]
Mitt Romney
14% [ 4 ]
Ron Paul
46% [ 13 ]
John McCain
0% [ 0 ]
Mike Huckabee
3% [ 1 ]
Rudy Giuliani
0% [ 0 ]
Dennis Kucinich
3% [ 1 ]
Fred Thompson
0% [ 0 ] |
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