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Don Gately
Joined: 20 Mar 2006
Location: In a basement taking a severe beating
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| thepeel wrote: |
Well, not to speak for Kelly, but I sure am a religion'a'disliker.
But my big issue with religious people is that they use their science fiction as a basis for policy and enforce their bronze-age "morality" on the sane members of society. I am perfectly willing to let them go and cry to an imaginary friend unmolested. Will they grant to me the same consideration? |
+1!
Also, they continue to obstruct federal funding for embryonic stem cell research. If they get out of the way of that, I'll be happy to go back to ignoring/laughing at them like old times. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:29 am Post subject: |
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| I like how the term "islamophobe" is now going to be slapped to all religion with 'religionophobe'. Thanks leftists! |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Don Gately wrote: |
| thepeel wrote: |
Well, not to speak for Kelly, but I sure am a religion'a'disliker.
But my big issue with religious people is that they use their science fiction as a basis for policy and enforce their bronze-age "morality" on the sane members of society. I am perfectly willing to let them go and cry to an imaginary friend unmolested. Will they grant to me the same consideration? |
+1!
Also, they continue to obstruct federal funding for embryonic stem cell research. If they get out of the way of that, I'll be happy to go back to ignoring/laughing at them like old times. |
Yeah the absitence programs worked out well for them too, eh. Congress at least had the balls to mandate a scientific evaluation of the effectiveness and found it a useless policy. And the fundies in government are tying this to aid in Africa. Oh joy.
Whatever side you fall on the global warming debate, one should not fall on that side via the fundy route. "Well, there's nothing in the bible about global warming so it won't happen. So lets not waste money."
There's nothing in the bible either about an asteroid hitting the earth. I wonder what the fundies would argue if we found a rock heading towards earth. Astronomers are all atheists, after all. |
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ultra
Joined: 09 Nov 2007
Location: Book Han Gook Land Of Opportunity
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| Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:16 pm Post subject: Re: Mike Huckabee: "I'm a Folksy Theocrat" |
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| jkelly80 wrote: |
This guy is a total nut job |
Jesus was ridiculed, reviled and awarded the death penalty,
but subsequently was followed by a greater number of people than those who ridiculed and condemned him. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know if being followed by lots of people is a sign that one is a saying ethical things.
Besides, only an idiot allows himself to be tortured to death cause daddy said so. If that is living christ-like, count me out. |
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wannago
Joined: 16 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't know if being followed by lots of people is a sign that one is a saying ethical things. |
People like you have been trying to stamp out Christianity for two millennia and yet it still thrives. That's just gotta suck for you...
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| Besides, only an idiot allows himself to be tortured to death cause daddy said so. If that is living christ-like, count me out. |
OK, you've been counted out. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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The reason it thrives is because, to paraphrase a famous British-American critic, our thumb-finger ratio is not what it ought to be, our frontal lobes are underdeveloped and our adrenalin glands overactive. We are, and this is the the ultimate proof of evolution, barbarians with fancy toys. We are scared of the dark, and easily accepting of silly explanations for big questions. We are tribal and, and this is most important, we are gullible.
Well, some of us. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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| thepeel wrote: |
Besides, only an idiot allows himself to be tortured to death cause daddy said so. |
When Jesus died on the cross, Rome was ruled by Caesar. Less than a thousand years later, Jesus's disciples had conquered Rome.
Idiotic is not correct. Subtle and devious is about right. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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So, he died to conquer Italy? In a thousand years? That's one hell of a plan. JC the imperialist?
What about rendering to Caesar, his? Was JC fibbing? |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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What about rendering to Caesar, his? Was JC fibbing? |
*smirks*
'Render unto Caesar what is due unto Caesar, render under God what is due unto God.'
If you're a Roman, you look at that statement and it remains patriotic. If you're a Jew, you realize Caesar isn't due squat. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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| So, JC was a theocrat who thought Italy was under god's jurisdiction? |
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jkelly80
Joined: 13 Jun 2007
Location: you boys like mexico?
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| Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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| ultra wrote: |
| jkelly80 wrote: |
This guy is a total nut job |
Jesus was ridiculed, reviled and awarded the death penalty,
but subsequently was followed by a greater number of people than those who ridiculed and condemned him. |
More people watch SVU than The Wire. So what?
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| thepeel wrote: |
Besides, only an idiot allows himself to be tortured to death cause daddy said so. |
When Jesus died on the cross, Rome was ruled by Caesar. Less than a thousand years later, Jesus's disciples had conquered Rome.
Idiotic is not correct. Subtle and devious is about right. |
Constantine issued the Edict of Milan in 313 and Theodosius made it the state religion in 392. In the intervening 350 years between the death of Yeshua bin Yusef and Theodosius, that message and doctrine was completely twisted and altered to suit the needs of the Roman state. There was little to no conquering. To quote Maxwell Scott, "When the legend becomes fact, print the legend." I would not count that a victory. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah, I wonder how Jesus would view Christian theology. I have a feeling he'd be a bit perplexed. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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| jkelly80 wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| thepeel wrote: |
Besides, only an idiot allows himself to be tortured to death cause daddy said so. |
When Jesus died on the cross, Rome was ruled by Caesar. Less than a thousand years later, Jesus's disciples had conquered Rome.
Idiotic is not correct. Subtle and devious is about right. |
Constantine issued the Edict of Milan in 313 and Theodosius made it the state religion in 392. In the intervening 350 years between the death of Yeshua bin Yusef and Theodosius, that message and doctrine was completely twisted and altered to suit the needs of the Roman state. There was little to no conquering. To quote Maxwell Scott, "When the legend becomes fact, print the legend." I would not count that a victory. |
So the Romans submitted without a fight? Sun Tzu would call that the very greatest kind of victory. I was using conquest in the most expansive sense (not the most pedantic sense).
The history lecture goes towards my point, though. |
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jkelly80
Joined: 13 Jun 2007
Location: you boys like mexico?
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| Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 12:05 am Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| jkelly80 wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| thepeel wrote: |
Besides, only an idiot allows himself to be tortured to death cause daddy said so. |
When Jesus died on the cross, Rome was ruled by Caesar. Less than a thousand years later, Jesus's disciples had conquered Rome.
Idiotic is not correct. Subtle and devious is about right. |
Constantine issued the Edict of Milan in 313 and Theodosius made it the state religion in 392. In the intervening 350 years between the death of Yeshua bin Yusef and Theodosius, that message and doctrine was completely twisted and altered to suit the needs of the Roman state. There was little to no conquering. To quote Maxwell Scott, "When the legend becomes fact, print the legend." I would not count that victory. |
So the Romans submitted without a fight? Sun Tzu would call that the very greatest kind of victory. I was using conquest in the most expansive sense (not the most pedantic sense).
The history lecture goes towards my point, though. |
I knew what you meant, hence the "twisted and altered" vein. I just don't think JC conquered Rome, whether by force of arms or by hearts and minds. The Councils of Nicea in 318 distorted and committed huge amounts of Christian thought. A boatload of so-called "heresies" were jettisoned from the official church even before Nicea (adoptionists, Valentinius, other assorted "Gnostics", etc.), and also after (Nestorius). JC had by this time become just another bloody flag to wave, a theological Alamo.
This is a message board. We're here to argue and make points (or at least I am). I'd hardly call a six line post a lecture. |
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