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Samantha

Joined: 20 Jul 2006 Location: Jinan-dong Hwaseong
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 8:26 pm Post subject: Short term culture/etiquitte class--help? |
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During February I have to teach a short term culture and etiquitte class to police recruits. The only suggestion I was give was a comparison..."US does x Korea does y", which is so not helpful.
I have 40 hours to fill, broken down into:
1 hr-introduction
13 hrs- textbook
7 hrs- pronunciation/tongue twisters
8 hrs- Cultures/Etiquette and English games
4 hrs- Debates/Discussion topics
2 hrs- Ad-lib game
4 hrs- Presentations/homework
Most of this is very straight forward easy to do, I can figure out to fill in for them. I'd just like some ideas for the 8 hrs of culture/etiquette. Of course if anyone wants to make suggestions for anything beyond the textbook, I'd appreciate it as well. I've never taught an intensive adult/uni type class so any veterans out there with advice I'd appreciate it. |
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MarionG
Joined: 14 Sep 2006
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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1. Nothing impolite is meant if something is handed to you by the left hand.
2. Hold the door open for women, especially older women.
3. Never stick your chopsticks/fork into a communal bowl..explain about serving bowls NOT being communal bowls, and about serving utensils.
4. Chew with mouth closed, and quietly.
5. Cover mouth when coughing.
6. Don't spit
7. When you are with person A, and you run into person B, who you know, introduce person A to person B. This is normally not done in Korea, and would be considered impolite not to do in the west. |
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Samantha

Joined: 20 Jul 2006 Location: Jinan-dong Hwaseong
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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| MarionG wrote: |
1. Nothing impolite is meant if something is handed to you by the left hand.
2. Hold the door open for women, especially older women.
3. Never stick your chopsticks/fork into a communal bowl..explain about serving bowls NOT being communal bowls, and about serving utensils.
4. Chew with mouth closed, and quietly.
5. Cover mouth when coughing.
6. Don't spit
7. When you are with person A, and you run into person B, who you know, introduce person A to person B. This is normally not done in Korea, and would be considered impolite not to do in the west. |
Thank you that is the kind of stuff that I can use... With these and others that are coming to mind, I'm think in the first sesion for the culture part to do a little pre-test. Give a situation and possible responses. Have them take the quiz then go through and explain what the answer is and maybe role play it out properly. Hmm....now to figure out how to do this.
Thanks for the ideas/jumpstart. Anyone have anymore difference/suggestions. |
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Netz

Joined: 11 Oct 2004 Location: a parallel universe where people and places seem to be the exact opposite of "normal"
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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Tell them to do everything pretty much exactly the opposite of how they do it now.
It will take about ten minutes to explain, but a lifetime to absorb. |
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bluelake

Joined: 01 Dec 2005
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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This is a little of the opposite direction, but still similar. Besides Korean history, I teach a Korean culture class here at the university. The students are mainly kyopos, although I do have some Korean nationals take it. My classes aren't broken down into specific hours; I have the class twice a week for 75 min. each for sixteen weeks. During that time, I have specific subjects we cover each week (general overview, history, language, literature, religion, traditional subjects (food, housing, games, etc.), and so on). You might like to find a copy of the book Ugly Koreans, Ugly Americans (ISBN 89-7512-128-3). It seems like it might be out of print, but you still might find a copy. A lot of it is outdated, but it still can bring up valid points for a class such as yours.
Good luck with it. |
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Samantha

Joined: 20 Jul 2006 Location: Jinan-dong Hwaseong
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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| bluelake wrote: |
This is a little of the opposite direction, but still similar. Besides Korean history, I teach a Korean culture class here at the university. The students are mainly kyopos, although I do have some Korean nationals take it. My classes aren't broken down into specific hours; I have the class twice a week for 75 min. each for sixteen weeks. During that time, I have specific subjects we cover each week (general overview, history, language, literature, religion, traditional subjects (food, housing, games, etc.), and so on). You might like to find a copy of the book Ugly Koreans, Ugly Americans (ISBN 89-7512-128-3). It seems like it might be out of print, but you still might find a copy. A lot of it is outdated, but it still can bring up valid points for a class such as yours.
Good luck with it. |
Thanks for the suggestion of a title, I was thinking of heading up to Kyobo this weekend and seeing what is there in the culture section. I wish the schedule wasn't so regimented as well. I'd like to take more time on some of the things if that's the way the classes are going but I think I'm supposed to stay rigidly within this schedule.
Netz- thanks for the suggestion but that's along the lines of what the office manager told me which is why I'm asking for suggestions here  |
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hari seldon
Joined: 05 Dec 2004 Location: Incheon
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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| MarionG wrote: |
1. Nothing impolite is meant if something is handed to you by the left hand.
2. Hold the door open for women, especially older women.
3. Never stick your chopsticks/fork into a communal bowl..explain about serving bowls NOT being communal bowls, and about serving utensils.
4. Chew with mouth closed, and quietly.
5. Cover mouth when coughing.
6. Don't spit
7. When you are with person A, and you run into person B, who you know, introduce person A to person B. This is normally not done in Korea, and would be considered impolite not to do in the west. |
8. On first meeting, it isn't polite for a younger person to ask an adult their age.
9. Remarking on a person's above average waistline on first meeting isn't polite.
10. Laughing at a person who isn't trying to make a joke isn't polite. |
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Samantha

Joined: 20 Jul 2006 Location: Jinan-dong Hwaseong
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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Here's another question that occured to me regarding this...anyone who has had to deal with the police here any suggestions for what you think they should know about culture/etiquette when dealing with foriegners. This can be from any country/culture really in this class, I just focus on the US culture because it's the one I have first hand experience with.
Again thanks for the suggestions keep them coming I don't start the class until the 4th so I have some time to work out the kinks in my lesson plan. |
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Bibbitybop

Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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Boy oh boy, you could teach the entire class relying on how foreigners are treated by the police when they need help or have trouble.
Everyone, post your stories.
Here are some example: The Metropolitician's arrest after calling the police for help and the police's refusal to listen to his side of the story over a drunk ajossi.
My friend who's motorcycle was stolen and was refused help of any sort at 3 different police stations. |
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ajuma

Joined: 18 Feb 2003 Location: Anywere but Seoul!!
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 5:07 am Post subject: |
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| bluelake wrote: |
This is a little of the opposite direction, but still similar. Besides Korean history, I teach a Korean culture class here at the university. The students are mainly kyopos, although I do have some Korean nationals take it. My classes aren't broken down into specific hours; I have the class twice a week for 75 min. each for sixteen weeks. During that time, I have specific subjects we cover each week (general overview, history, language, literature, religion, traditional subjects (food, housing, games, etc.), and so on). You might like to find a copy of the book Ugly Koreans, Ugly Americans (ISBN 89-7512-128-3). It seems like it might be out of print, but you still might find a copy. A lot of it is outdated, but it still can bring up valid points for a class such as yours.
Good luck with it. |
NOT out of print! Actually, they've come out with an updated version. Some of the things in the books are NOT correct, so it's interesting to talk about those things. One of the best things about the book is that it's only W5,000!! |
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bluelake

Joined: 01 Dec 2005
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 5:28 am Post subject: |
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| ajuma wrote: |
| bluelake wrote: |
This is a little of the opposite direction, but still similar. Besides Korean history, I teach a Korean culture class here at the university. The students are mainly kyopos, although I do have some Korean nationals take it. My classes aren't broken down into specific hours; I have the class twice a week for 75 min. each for sixteen weeks. During that time, I have specific subjects we cover each week (general overview, history, language, literature, religion, traditional subjects (food, housing, games, etc.), and so on). You might like to find a copy of the book Ugly Koreans, Ugly Americans (ISBN 89-7512-128-3). It seems like it might be out of print, but you still might find a copy. A lot of it is outdated, but it still can bring up valid points for a class such as yours.
Good luck with it. |
NOT out of print! Actually, they've come out with an updated version. Some of the things in the books are NOT correct, so it's interesting to talk about those things. One of the best things about the book is that it's only W5,000!! |
Hmmm... It does look like Kyobo carries it again (http://www.kyobobook.co.kr/product/detailViewEng.laf?ejkGb=ENG&mallGb=ENG&barcode=6108975122025&orderClick=LAG), although the update is 2003. |
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Samantha

Joined: 20 Jul 2006 Location: Jinan-dong Hwaseong
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 6:05 am Post subject: |
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| bluelake wrote: |
| ajuma wrote: |
| bluelake wrote: |
This is a little of the opposite direction, but still similar. Besides Korean history, I teach a Korean culture class here at the university. The students are mainly kyopos, although I do have some Korean nationals take it. My classes aren't broken down into specific hours; I have the class twice a week for 75 min. each for sixteen weeks. During that time, I have specific subjects we cover each week (general overview, history, language, literature, religion, traditional subjects (food, housing, games, etc.), and so on). You might like to find a copy of the book Ugly Koreans, Ugly Americans (ISBN 89-7512-128-3). It seems like it might be out of print, but you still might find a copy. A lot of it is outdated, but it still can bring up valid points for a class such as yours.
Good luck with it. |
NOT out of print! Actually, they've come out with an updated version. Some of the things in the books are NOT correct, so it's interesting to talk about those things. One of the best things about the book is that it's only W5,000!! |
Hmmm... It does look like Kyobo carries it again (http://www.kyobobook.co.kr/product/detailViewEng.laf?ejkGb=ENG&mallGb=ENG&barcode=6108975122025&orderClick=LAG), although the update is 2003. |
Is the book in English of Korean. The image shown on the link you provided shows mostly Korean on the cover. It definately looks like I have to make a trip to Seoul soon so I can check it out. |
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ajuma

Joined: 18 Feb 2003 Location: Anywere but Seoul!!
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 6:53 am Post subject: |
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| It's in English AND Korean. Great for classes where students have low English reading skills. I DO always read the English part before the discussion so that the students can follow along and get both the pronunciation and intonation. |
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MarionG
Joined: 14 Sep 2006
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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Another thing that shouldn't be overlooked is the way negative questions are answered in the west and in Asia:
Example:
Question: Your sister doesn't want to go, does she?
Korean answer: Yes (Yes, I agree with what you say, she does not want to go.)
Western answer: No (No, she does not want to go) |
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ernie
Joined: 05 Aug 2006 Location: asdfghjk
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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i would focus on useful tips like:
- tipping policy in the west... my advice is to use the sales tax calculation as an easy way to determine the tip, i.e. if the tax is 5%, then you should tip 3 or 4 times that amount, depending on the level of service
- police... an adult student of mine was travelling in the USA, was speeding and got pulled over by the cops... he LIED to the officer about not having a license, then finally admitted it in the end! he was lucky he didn't get cuffed and sent to jail for a night! WTF was he thinking?!
- giving/receiving directions... we have street names, so try to remember the major streets and you will have a hard time getting lost
- miscellaneous:
- we have names for a reason, it's not rude to USE them!
- asking someone's age is rude and unnecessary without a good reason for doing so like putting candles on their birthday cake or filling out official documents
- not introducing someone is akin to denying their existence
- talking to someone on an equal 'friend' level is seen as good manners, not a subversion of the hierarchy
- giving a stranger advice re: weight, is ok as long as you don't mind 1) being criticized in return for things that you might find highly personal, and/or 2) being considered rude, untactful, and nosy
- people should ALWAYS be allowed to exit a place (like a subway car) before you enter... this is elementary 'bag' logic: if you have a bag full of apples that you want to empty and refill with oranges, you don't put the oranges in first and then try to pick out the apples one by one! you dump out the apples and then put the oranges in all at once! |
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