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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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 Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 7:48 am Post subject: Aliens- Are we ready for visitors? |
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Let�s say there is life out there... and with the new Hubble telescope going up this month 90times more powerful than before maybe we are on our way to one day seeing a planet with life on it.. I mean then what!
What if there are humans there? What if they need our help or something?
Do we help them? And if so how long before we go to war with them? 
Obviously if we find them first means we have evolved faster than them
Do we interfere with their evolution process? Do we meet them and see what we can take and study from them! Do we then become the aggressors to a lower evolutionary people?
would the government cover it up and keep it a secret?
any thoughts..
this thread was inspired by the DVD,
HUBBLE- 15 years of discovery
watch it.. it will blow you away!!! |
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Bibbitybop
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:18 am Post subject: |
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| I'm ready for their new sexual and dining techniques. |
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travel zen
Joined: 22 Feb 2005
Location: Good old Toronto, Canada
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| Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:32 am Post subject: |
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There are no aliens in the entire Universe/Existence plane !
None but us.  |
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browneyedgirl
Joined: 17 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:45 am Post subject: |
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| My Astronomy teacher said if we use past human history as an example, a new culture of beings discovering us could never lead to anything good. We would just be exploited. |
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twg
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...
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| Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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In order for ET to come visit and share his knowledge with us, he would have to be able to fly in a space ship that would violate the laws of the universe. Or he would have to be able to life for thousands to tens of thousands of years and be willing to sit in his UFO for centuries just to get it to us.
So, if he were to arrive today, he would have had to have left back in a time before we were capable of letting him know we're here.
And ever if he somehow manages to pick up our so faint as to be non existent radio waves today, he wouldn't be able to arrive for centuries yet. He would have to be assuming a lot that we'd still be here when he arrived.
Over all, it'd be just easier for him to send us a message.
The UFO phenomenon requires magic spaceships that defy the laws of physics. But then we start getting into a realm of discussion that might as well be about gods and angels for all of their imaginariness. |
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seoulunitarian
Joined: 06 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 2:59 pm Post subject: re: |
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| twg wrote: |
In order for ET to come visit and share his knowledge with us, he would have to be able to fly in a space ship that would violate the laws of the universe. Or he would have to be able to life for thousands to tens of thousands of years and be willing to sit in his UFO for centuries just to get it to us.
So, if he were to arrive today, he would have had to have left back in a time before we were capable of letting him know we're here.
And ever if he somehow manages to pick up our so faint as to be non existent radio waves today, he wouldn't be able to arrive for centuries yet. He would have to be assuming a lot that we'd still be here when he arrived.
Over all, it'd be just easier for him to send us a message.
The UFO phenomenon requires magic spaceships that defy the laws of physics. But then we start getting into a realm of discussion that might as well be about gods and angels for all of their imaginariness. |
Or they would simply need to be advanced enough to manipulate space/time for travel. Out of our reach for the time being, but not necessarily out of the reach of an advanced race.
Peace |
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twg
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...
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| Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 3:08 pm Post subject: Re: re: |
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Or they would simply need to be advanced enough to manipulate space/time for travel. Out of our reach for the time being, but not necessarily out of the reach of an advanced race.
Peace |
Then we get back to magic spaceships again, and we might as well start talking about religion. |
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seoulunitarian
Joined: 06 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 3:37 pm Post subject: Re: re: |
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| twg wrote: |
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Or they would simply need to be advanced enough to manipulate space/time for travel. Out of our reach for the time being, but not necessarily out of the reach of an advanced race.
Peace |
Then we get back to magic spaceships again, and we might as well start talking about religion. |
You'll have to explain how manipulating natural laws is magical.
Peace |
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Justin Hale
Joined: 24 Nov 2007
Location: the Straight Talk Express
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| Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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| travel zen wrote: |
There are no aliens in the entire Universe/Existence plane !
None but us. |
The chances of that are 0 at best.
The Andromeda Galaxy, which is in our Local Group, has 1 trillion (one million million) stars in a universe where there are an estimated 100 billion galaxies (at least! Those are just the ones we're capable of seeing at this stage).
The question is....are there other civilizations in our galaxy, the Milky Way, relatively close to us - a within 10 light years, for example?
The chances of visits from Andromeda are also close to 0, because it is 2.5 million light years away. Chances from distant areas in our own galaxy are also wildly unlikely because it is 100,000 light years in diameter.
Nevertheless, the chances of other civilizations on other planets in our own galaxy and others are 1-in-1 and it's likely also that numbers run in the millions at least. |
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Kimchi Cowboy
Joined: 17 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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| I sure hope there's life out there. I can't wait to get off this planet. |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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| twg wrote: |
In order for ET to come visit and share his knowledge with us, he would have to be able to fly in a space ship that would violate the laws of the universe. Or he would have to be able to life for thousands to tens of thousands of years and be willing to sit in his UFO for centuries just to get it to us.
So, if he were to arrive today, he would have had to have left back in a time before we were capable of letting him know we're here.
And ever if he somehow manages to pick up our so faint as to be non existent radio waves today, he wouldn't be able to arrive for centuries yet. He would have to be assuming a lot that we'd still be here when he arrived.
Over all, it'd be just easier for him to send us a message.
The UFO phenomenon requires magic spaceships that defy the laws of physics. But then we start getting into a realm of discussion that might as well be about gods and angels for all of their imaginariness. |
Time slows down for the person near light speed for one. But more importantly, your opinion is pretty much the same as people had about flight. We can't travel faster with what we know about the universe and it's rules though quantum physics breaks several of those macroscopic rules already. And our understanding of the universe is EXTREMELY limited, the same as that post. |
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Justin Hale
Joined: 24 Nov 2007
Location: the Straight Talk Express
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| Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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This 2004 paper says that the observable universe is 78,000 million light years in diameter.
It is highly likely that the galaxies within our visible universe represent only a minuscule fraction of the galaxies in the universe.
This makes (a) Earth being the only civilization of 0% likelihood, (b) grand claims, for example those of the religions, about life on Earth erroneous, ludicrous twaddle. |
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crusher_of_heads
Joined: 23 Feb 2007
Location: kimbop and kimchi for kimberly!!!!
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| Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Athens isn't ready for visitiors |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Let's face it, if we made contact with aliens, the Christians would all rush over there shouting "Have you heard the Good News?" |
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blackjack
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: anyang
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| Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Obviously if we find them first means we have evolved faster than them |
poor use of the word evolved. we have not evolved faster than any other organism, just differently.
plus just because we find them first does not mean they are less developed, they might simply not have a culture of exploration.
an interesting book that addresses this is "the sparrow" by Mary Doria Russell |
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