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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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Ill bite!!
how do you explain a picture taken in 1985 and in the background is a man dressed in clothes from the early 1900's??
double exposure?
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Yes.
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I don�t see how letting in more light could create a person in 1900"S clothes standing in the middle of my shot,,,
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Unless your previous shot was of a person in 1900s clothes.
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unless the camera imagined it.. ohh no.. I know.. I imagined it and the camera photographed my own projected image through the lens!
hey why not!! if you want to think far fetched reality so will I..
Pareidolia?? the man is not being created from a shape! he is standing there alone in the picture...
im guessing photography is not one of the books you wrote!
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All images are just a collection of shapes. Any artist can tell you that.
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lens reflections??? yeah I know.. perhaps a man was standing behind me that day dressed in 1900's clothes and top hat because he was on his way to a fancy dress party.. what he was doing out there in the middle of no where , we will never know..
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Lens reflections aren't necessarily reflecting a human being. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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Millions of British have seen fairies. So what?
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millions?? link me websites, testimonials, DVDs, books, documentaries, of TV specials, and pictures or these called fairies! more historical records would be interesting.. |
Oh goodness, investigate the Cottingley fairies. Why Sir Arthur Conan Doyle himself confirmed everything! How many books has he written! My goodness. How can you deny it!
http://www.cottingleyconnect.org.uk/fairies.htm
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| A piece of a ghost we can examine in a lab. |
we can�t test schizophrenia in a lab! but we know it exists. because we see it! but can�t prove it scientifically! so what!! |
Ummm. We can test schizophrenia in a lab. As you confuse historical evidence with scientific evidence, you're confusing different sciences. Ghosts can move things, no? That would imply a force or energy that can interact with the world. A force or energy can be measured. Gravity, electromagnetic, weak, strong. These are the four known forces and can all be measured, tested, and described scientifically. Further, you're also proposing some kind of creature. Eyewitness reports of a dinosaur in the congo are nice 'n' all and some shadowy photos are nice 'n' all but the rule is if you want to add it to the taxonomy, you need to bring a sample into the lab. Sorry, anything else is the fallacy of special pleading.
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/special-pleading.html
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| I've written six books, actually |
great then you can happily link me those books to Amazon!
because im sure they are in the field of astrophysics, chemical biology, neurology, theology, psychiatry, and probably the paranormal too right!  |
Sorry I do happen to like to preserve my anonymity in Korea. Can I have your place of business in Itaewon? But yes two were actually on the paranormal.
Anyway, I'm not making an argument from my authority. I'm trying to explain the science as best I understand it to you. I've provided you countless links for you to read and challenge. For example, eye evolution. You stated it was impossible for the eye to evolve. I provide links showing, no, there's a very plausible pathway. Instead of now attacking the science within that, showing why it isn't a plausible path way, and why no pathway can explain eye evolution, you simply hand waved it away and retreated back your original claim.
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Well, the organizer of the site seems well aware of various categories of natural explanations and frauds. |
Which he then ignores when offering those examples. Your photos are straight up pathetic. |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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No sailing I get motion sickness 
What kind of stench does you family have?? hahaha |
Kinda cabbage crossed with fear.
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| It was one of those small little windows the slide open at the bottom of a larger window, maybe 50cm if fully open. It was Sept. in Toronto so not freezing but usually chilly enough not to keep the window wide open. |
Sure, I'm just suggesting that drafts can move objects. Maybe not in this instance as you describe it.
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| The floor was not wood, it was tile, probably not real tile though... |
My suggestion was that if the kitchen had wooden floorboards(covered by tiles or whatever) would move up and down when people stepped on them.
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| There were elbows on the table for sure and a knee bump could have happened but the movement was so smooth, you how when you bump your knee against the table and an object sort of jumps? Well is wasn't like that, just smooth and fast and then it just stopped. It was weird. Mom picked up the glass (honestly it might have been my aunt but in my defense they are identical twins) and she run her hand over the table checking for water, and couldn't find any. |
Had it been lubricated I'd expect a smooth movement and a sudden stop as the lubricant ran dry.
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| It's totally fine with me if folks want to challenge the story, its interesting to hear other opinions. I don't have my heart set on a ghost. |
You now have two explanations. Mine that looks at the events you describe as facts. And MM2's which questions your memory of the events.
MM2's does have a lot of scientific validity to it and I'd suggest you look in to this area for a natural answer. |
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rD.NaTas
Joined: 06 Nov 2007
Location: changwon
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| Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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| wut about the other explanation that these occurences are unexplainable and or supernatural |
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Scarlet13
Joined: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Changwon
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| Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Scarlet13 wrote: |
No sailing I get motion sickness
What kind of stench does you family have?? hahaha |
Kinda cabbage crossed with fear.
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| It was one of those small little windows the slide open at the bottom of a larger window, maybe 50cm if fully open. It was Sept. in Toronto so not freezing but usually chilly enough not to keep the window wide open. |
Sure, I'm just suggesting that drafts can move objects. Maybe not in this instance as you describe it.
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| The floor was not wood, it was tile, probably not real tile though... |
My suggestion was that if the kitchen had wooden floorboards(covered by tiles or whatever) would move up and down when people stepped on them.
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| There were elbows on the table for sure and a knee bump could have happened but the movement was so smooth, you how when you bump your knee against the table and an object sort of jumps? Well is wasn't like that, just smooth and fast and then it just stopped. It was weird. Mom picked up the glass (honestly it might have been my aunt but in my defense they are identical twins) and she run her hand over the table checking for water, and couldn't find any. |
Had it been lubricated I'd expect a smooth movement and a sudden stop as the lubricant ran dry.
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| It's totally fine with me if folks want to challenge the story, its interesting to hear other opinions. I don't have my heart set on a ghost. |
You now have two explanations. Mine that looks at the events you describe as facts. And MM2's which questions your memory of the events.
MM2's does have a lot of scientific validity to it and I'd suggest you look in to this area for a natural answer. |
Well I have two possible explanations, but I really don't believe there was anything on the table, but perhaps I am embellishing a memory iand don't know it, that's why I emailed my mom to check hers. I'll post her response. |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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| rD.NaTas wrote: |
| wut about the other explanation that these occurences are unexplainable and or supernatural |
Scarlet's story though there may be many natural explanations will remain unexplainable due to it being unobservable and unrepeatable. The natural explanations given so far are speculation on an anecdote. I can't say 100% there was no ghost in Scarlet's mum's kitchen. It would be impossible to scientifically research Scarlet's story and get to the truth.
Uri Gellar bends spoons with his mind. Magicians use slight of hand.
Sometimes a glass slides because someone knocks the table and everyone embellishes a story each time they tell it, sometimes it's a ghost. |
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rD.NaTas
Joined: 06 Nov 2007
Location: changwon
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| Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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| i know what your talkin bout the glass sliding , ive tossed a few schooners on the bar and had it slide off and smash |
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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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Anyway, I'm not making an argument from my authority. I'm trying to explain the science as best I understand it to you. I've provided you countless links for you to read and challenge. For example, eye evolution. You stated it was impossible for the eye to evolve. I provide links showing, no, there's a very plausible pathway. Instead of now attacking the science within that, showing why it isn't a plausible path way, and why no pathway can explain eye evolution, you simply hand waved it away and retreated back your original claim. |
two books on paranormal well come on, link those books!
id hate to think you are full of BS..
you linked me a theory of eye evolution! Ill do what you do and wait for the lab experiment! which shows it in stages! not a computer simulation written with computer code that demonstrates it evolving... |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
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Anyway, I'm not making an argument from my authority. I'm trying to explain the science as best I understand it to you. I've provided you countless links for you to read and challenge. For example, eye evolution. You stated it was impossible for the eye to evolve. I provide links showing, no, there's a very plausible pathway. Instead of now attacking the science within that, showing why it isn't a plausible path way, and why no pathway can explain eye evolution, you simply hand waved it away and retreated back your original claim. |
two books on paranormal well come on, link those books!
id hate to think you are full of BS..
you linked me a theory of eye evolution! Ill do what you do and wait for the lab experiment! which shows it in stages! not a computer simulation written with computer code that demonstrates it evolving... |
And I guess you have to await an experiment that covers half the earth in ice to demonstrate the origin of moraines and ice ages. Guess what, modern science is largely inferential.
I'm not sure what you're talking about in terms of a computer simulation.
The eye is impossible: no, here is a plausible path, here are all the stages along that path in nature, here is the biochemical mechanism and the lab evidence for it.
Ghosts are impossible: ummmmm. What you got besides people going I SAW A GHOST! I TELLS YA! Got a plausible mechanism for ghost creation, the creation of a force that can both interact with the physical world (like throw glasses) and not (like pass through walls)? Got something like it in nature that we know exists? Got any lab work to support the proposed mechanism for ghost creation? |
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Scarlet13
Joined: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Changwon
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| Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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My mom replied this is the complete unedited response!
we were sitting at the table and a dry glass moved across the table...we felt to see if it was wet but it was bone dry...it looked like it was being pushed...there were at least 5 of us sitting at the table and saw this happen it was odd to say the least...!!!
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Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 07:36:02 -0800
From: **(^%[email protected]
Subject: ahoy
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Ahoy hoy,
Do you remember when Nana died and Kathy's friends were staying with us, that night we were sitting around in the kitchen in Nortonville, and that thing with the glass happened? If you see Kathy would you mind asking her too.
Please email me back as I need written evidence of your answer for the purpose of debate.
Thanks Mom
@#$%^&^
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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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My mom replied this is the complete unedited response!
we were sitting at the table and a dry glass moved across the table...we felt to see if it was wet but it was bone dry...it looked like it was being pushed...there were at least 5 of us sitting at the table and saw this happen it was odd to say the least...!!!
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Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 07:36:02 -0800
From: **(^%[email protected]
Subject: ahoy
To:@@#$%@hotmail.com
Ahoy hoy,
Do you remember when Nana died and Kathy's friends were staying with us, that night we were sitting around in the kitchen in Nortonville, and that thing with the glass happened? If you see Kathy would you mind asking her too.
Please email me back as I need written evidence of your answer for the purpose of debate.
Thanks Mom
@#$%^&^
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these guys wont believe anything you mum says or even if steven hawkins said so... these guys are skeptics! they dont believe anything!
they thought the world was flat and no chance of it being round!
understand their mind set.. |
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Scarlet13
Joined: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Changwon
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| Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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THat might be so, but that's ok. I'm glad my world has some mystery in it. I don't need to run to science for everything, I'm happy with a little bit of faith and an open-mind. BUt at least it shows that it isn't something I made up when I was 11. One explaination down!  |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 12:24 am Post subject: |
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these guys wont believe anything you mum says or even if steven hawkins said so... these guys are skeptics! they dont believe anything!
they thought the world was flat and no chance of it being round!
understand their mind set.. |
The thing is that scarlet has the intelligence to understand that people will doubt her claims and that seems to be fine with her. And if we need mystery in our lives not only can science offer us this but also art, philosophy and the study of itaewonguy's mindset. Who thought the world was flat? That's one cognitive leap for such a short guy. There is also a strong difference between a skeptic a naysayer and a cynic. Being rationale enough to ask for evidence to extraordinary claims that contradict known science(quickly becoming a dirty word around here, but still) and considering natural explanations is not being closed minded. Scarlet may seek solace in her faith I can take solace in my doubt. |
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Scarlet13
Joined: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Changwon
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| Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 3:22 am Post subject: |
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| I don't think it is closed minded to look at natural explainations first, I would do that to, it is sensible. When they can't be found, then I'm happy not knowing the science behind. I'm sure that if there are ghosts eventually it will be proven. In the meantime I'm OK with never knowing for sure. |
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