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[Kuros]

...in 2012.

Reminds me of a liberal Reagan, he does!

[Ya-ta Boy]

My little heart underwent a real jolt when I read your headline. You shouldn't do that.

I'm trending more or less in the same direction in my feelings towards Obama.

[Bibbitybop]

[Kuros]

[Ya-ta Boy]

The man is only 46. From my perspective, he's just a spring chicken. I have always said he needs more experience. He definitely inspires me and I would have no qualms about supporting him. He's qualified. However, he is kind of cutting to the head of the line because he got such positive attention at the last convention. A little patience would not hurt.

My reservations about Senator Clinton are centered on her 'negatives' which have never been made clear. Why people hate her, I don't know. I certainly don't buy the 'entitlement' thing. That says more about the people who say it than it does about her. She has more experience than just one term in the Senate. She's been 1/2 of a political marriage all her life. That means she's been actively engaged in politics at levels much higher than just serving tea to the ladies while the men do the real work. Politicians' wives' influence has largely been kept hidden.

[Ya-ta Boy]

PS: Kuros, do you have any Kentucky Colonel Suit shops in your neighborhood that sell online? I may be in the market. I recently heard myself refered to with the dread 'G' word (grandpa) and want to head that one off at the pass. I was barely comfortable with the KFC Man description, but if those two are my only choices, I'll go with the KFC Man.

[Dome Vans]

To be perfectly honest what the US and the World needs is someone who's going to fix the mess that the GW has created. He never led with his ideas he was a puppet for Cheney. Which out of Hilary and Obama is actually going to make a stand and try and make politics less of a laughing stock and put in some foundations in their premiership?

Especially being asked about who does their hair and they become all tearful and say they just want whats best for the country.

It seems strange to think in the days where change is needed the two front runners are a female and a black guy. Is that as a token gesture? Or will it be a serious step in the right direction?

Anyho, you can't get any worse than England when it comes to choices for leader. We're skrewed and will be for years to come, nobody creditable in opposition and certainly not a creditable person running the show. Shame.

[Milwaukiedave]

It will be interesting how that "theory" plays out if Clinton loses in November.

[Tiger Beer]

That was Edwards problem 4 years ago. Everyone said he looked too young and therefore unvoteable.

Funny how no one mentions it now. I doubt if he's changed that much in 4 years, still seems pretty much the same to me. Obama will too.

If it came down to a general election, i wouldn't NOT vote for Obama because of it.

[Ya-ta Boy]

If Senator Clinton does end up with the nomination, she can still play the 'You Go, Girl' card and we haven't seen that on a national level yet. At this point, it's an imponderable that we should all be pondering. For one thing, as part of her acceptance of the nomination speech on national TV, she could go through the laundry list of Bill's transgressions and hand him his divorce papers. Then she could deliver an apt quote or two from Lysistrata and be swept into power almost unanimously.

[stillnotking]

[Kuros]

[Ya-ta Boy]

Yeah, I did. These are the numbers RealClearPolitics is showing today:

Romney 39.5% vs Clinton 51.0%

Huckabee 40.8% vs Clinton 50.8%

Guiliani 40.3% vs Clinton 50.8%

McCain 46.3% vs Clinton 46.2%

From that, only McCain is even competitive with her.

If Senator Clinton is nominated, the campaign will be vicious, but not because of anything she does. Her enemies will make it that way, then whine that it is a divisive campaign. If she doesn't play hardball, she will be seen as weak; if she does play just as rough as the boys, she'll be accused of everything (again) from being a lesbian to a biatch. A lot of the suppressed contempt many men feel for women will very likely get an airing.

[Milwaukiedave]

Those that keep repeating the lie that Clinton can win the election in November have drank too much of the Kool-Aid. Everyone knows that poll numbers change and a being a few points up in the poll now means nothing in November. Clinton can not appeal to Republicans. The fact that she is a woman and would be the first woman president is as much of a non-issue as Obama being the first potential black president.

Clinton is in for a particularly difficult fight if the Republican nominee is McCain. The other thing in the mix that the Clinton supporters fail to take into account is that if the above two were nominated, there is a higher chance someone like Bloomberg will step into the race. Show me the poll numbers that has Clinton winning a three way race with McCain and Bloomberg in it. Well, there probably are none yet. Of course they wouldn't take that into account would they?

[stillnotking]

Matchup polls are useless this far in advance of an election. In 2004, one of Kerry's main arguments for the nomination was his lead over the other Democratic candidates in matchup polls. We saw how that one worked out.

The best predictor of candidate performance is how people feel about the candidate. All general elections ultimately come down to undecided voters picking the lesser of two evils -- most of them are "undecided" precisely because they don't really like either candidate. Ask an independent who voted for Bush in 2004 whether he really liked the guy, or just disliked him less than he disliked Kerry. I'll give you odds on what he'll say.

Hillary's negatives are the highest of any Democratic candidate. Eight months of campaigning will push them higher -- in her case, particularly, because we know the Republicans have ammunition. The argument that Whitewater, Lewinsky, etc. "wouldn't work twice" is naive. It will work twice, and Hillary will get trounced, probably getting less than 45% of the popular vote.