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little mixed girl
Joined: 11 Jun 2003
Location: shin hyesung's bed~
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i find it kind of funny that people think that japan is some kind of...country of love and welcoming to foreigners.
i think that korea and japan have a lot of similar points, and if you are looking to be loved or "respected" by korean or japanese people just because, then you have another thing coming.
i've seen guys peeing in the streets of large cities in japan, there's smoking everywhere in japan...heck, even some karaoke places have ashtrays in the bathroom (for the smoker that needs a smoke while they take a crap), japanese people often compare things to foreign countries (on the news a japanese athlete just said "i want to do my best to surprise the foreign athletes"), etc etc.
japan has a lot of great stuff, the same as korea.
but, don't come to japan with the expectation that japanese people are going to "respect" you.
they are polite to you, because they are not used to foreigners.
and that adhearance to the rules might be too much for some people.
...the other day some foreigner from some tiny european country started juggling in one part of my city, and a lady came up and told him to stop cuz it was illegal and she'd call the police. 
again...don't come to japan to "escape" korea, because you'll find the same type of stuff here. |
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Mosley
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 7:23 am Post subject: |
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The Archivist said he/she paid off 45K in debt in a year by teaching English in Japan??!!
Gotta call BS on that one. |
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nicholas_chiasson
Joined: 14 Jun 2007
Location: Samcheok
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| Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 11:54 am Post subject: |
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In Japan I saw in the few days I was there...
-A jazz band playing on the street corner for coins.
-A store that had one floor devoted to military models, one floor devoted to RC cars, and one floor devoted to model trains.
-A bunch of women dressed like women, and not color blind high schoolers
-An arcade that had NO smoking, and HD displays for Tekken 6
If you're nerdy Japan looks like heaven on earth. I don't care if people spit on you there, I could actually do something in Japan besides drink. |
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TECO
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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| nicholas_chiasson wrote: |
In Japan I saw in the few days I was there...
-A jazz band playing on the street corner for coins.
-A store that had one floor devoted to military models, one floor devoted to RC cars, and one floor devoted to model trains.
-A bunch of women dressed like women, and not color blind high schoolers
-An arcade that had NO smoking, and HD displays for Tekken 6
If you're nerdy Japan looks like heaven on earth. I don't care if people spit on you there, I could actually do something in Japan besides drink. |
Well yeah, that's what they say.
If you're an "Otaku", then places like Akihabara, Yo-Yogi Koen, and Harajuku are the place for you. |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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| Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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| laogaiguk wrote: |
| I but there is definitely a lack of honesty in the Korean ESL industry while Japan is the exact opposite. Lots of red tape, but I never worried about dishonesty there. |
Except at NOVA... Hm? They're bankrupt? C'est dommage. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 3:30 am Post subject: |
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| little mixed girl wrote: |
i find it kind of funny that people think that japan is some kind of...country of love and welcoming to foreigners.
i think that korea and japan have a lot of similar points, and if you are looking to be loved or "respected" by korean or japanese people just because, then you have another thing coming.
i've seen guys peeing in the streets of large cities in japan, there's smoking everywhere in japan...heck, even some karaoke places have ashtrays in the bathroom (for the smoker that needs a smoke while they take a crap), japanese people often compare things to foreign countries (on the news a japanese athlete just said "i want to do my best to surprise the foreign athletes"), etc etc.
japan has a lot of great stuff, the same as korea.
but, don't come to japan with the expectation that japanese people are going to "respect" you.
they are polite to you, because they are not used to foreigners.
and that adhearance to the rules might be too much for some people.
...the other day some foreigner from some tiny european country started juggling in one part of my city, and a lady came up and told him to stop cuz it was illegal and she'd call the police.
again...don't come to japan to "escape" korea, because you'll find the same type of stuff here. |
Pretty pointless post. You set up a strawman claiming people are calling Japan a country of `love and welcoming to foreigners`, which nobody here has done that I`ve seen. And beyond that, no, actually, Japan and Korea aren`t very similar, in fact they`re markedly different. Not sure where you live, but in Tokyo, while you won`t necessarily be `respected` (which is fine), at the least you get left alone and your privacy is respected. They`re a lot less likely to resent you just because you`re a foreigner, and they`re never overtly hostile toward you (unless you`re rude to them first).
Japan is also a lot cleaner. Basically it`s just a way more comfortable place live in nearly every way... |
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little mixed girl
Joined: 11 Jun 2003
Location: shin hyesung's bed~
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| Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:25 am Post subject: |
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Pretty pointless post. You set up a strawman claiming people are calling Japan a country of `love and welcoming to foreigners`, which nobody here has done that I`ve seen. And beyond that, no, actually, Japan and Korea aren`t very similar, in fact they`re markedly different. Not sure where you live, but in Tokyo, while you won`t necessarily be `respected` (which is fine), at the least you get left alone and your privacy is respected. They`re a lot less likely to resent you just because you`re a foreigner, and they`re never overtly hostile toward you (unless you`re rude to them first).
Japan is also a lot cleaner. Basically it`s just a way more comfortable place live in nearly every way... |
if you want to think that, that's fine.
i'm going to guess that your korean and japanese language is basic at best, and you only "understand" something when it's thrown directly in your face.
personally, i think that japan and korea are similar in many places.
if i had to compare japan to my hometown, then japan is a lot dirtier.
but, again, whatever. i'll remember how clean japan is when i step into yet another bathroom that's got puddles of water surrounding the squat toilet and that smells like pee.
i will remember to tell my friend who has been yelled at by old ladies when she dares to look at her phone on the bus, that japanese people are never hostile.
same type of stuff as in korea.
again, don't come to japan and think that it's some shining place that's the anti-korea. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:37 am Post subject: |
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| little mixed girl wrote: |
| visitorq wrote: |
Pretty pointless post. You set up a strawman claiming people are calling Japan a country of `love and welcoming to foreigners`, which nobody here has done that I`ve seen. And beyond that, no, actually, Japan and Korea aren`t very similar, in fact they`re markedly different. Not sure where you live, but in Tokyo, while you won`t necessarily be `respected` (which is fine), at the least you get left alone and your privacy is respected. They`re a lot less likely to resent you just because you`re a foreigner, and they`re never overtly hostile toward you (unless you`re rude to them first).
Japan is also a lot cleaner. Basically it`s just a way more comfortable place live in nearly every way... |
if you want to think that, that's fine.
i'm going to guess that your korean and japanese language is basic at best, and you only "understand" something when it's thrown directly in your face.
personally, i think that japan and korea are similar in many places.
if i had to compare japan to my hometown, then japan is a lot dirtier.
but, again, whatever. i'll remember how clean japan is when i step into yet another bathroom that's got puddles of water surrounding the squat toilet and that smells like pee.
i will remember to tell my friend who has been yelled at by old ladies when she dares to look at her phone on the bus, that japanese people are never hostile.
same type of stuff as in korea.
again, don't come to japan and think that it's some shining place that's the anti-korea. |
You have no idea what you`re what you`re talking about... in the first place, way to go `assuming` my Japanese ability is `basic at best` (not the case), as if you know anything about me. And you`re the one who first came on here claiming that 150k yen/month was the going rate for eikaiwa teachers (so obviously wrong), which doesn`t exactly help your credibility.
Bottom line is that the personal `experiences` (or your `friend`s` ) that you`ve written here don`t mean a thing as they sound completely one-off and atypical of Japan (ex. nearly all the public washrooms, at least in Tokyo, are clean, smoking is not even allowed outside of designated areas in some of the main -kus, and old ladies yelling at strangers is pretty well unheard of) and you haven`t even said where it is that you live. Regardless, whatever negative experiences you might have had in Japan, it is nevertheless still quite different from Korea, and if you can`t even see that, then you seriously need to check your head... |
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nicholas_chiasson
Joined: 14 Jun 2007
Location: Samcheok
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| Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 5:34 am Post subject: |
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-the raw fish has no bones in japan
-people have hobbies in Japan
-people(random adjoshis on the street) don't drunkenly embrace you in Japan
-couples hold hands in japan
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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| visitorq wrote: |
| little mixed girl wrote: |
| visitorq wrote: |
Pretty pointless post. You set up a strawman claiming people are calling Japan a country of `love and welcoming to foreigners`, which nobody here has done that I`ve seen. And beyond that, no, actually, Japan and Korea aren`t very similar, in fact they`re markedly different. Not sure where you live, but in Tokyo, while you won`t necessarily be `respected` (which is fine), at the least you get left alone and your privacy is respected. They`re a lot less likely to resent you just because you`re a foreigner, and they`re never overtly hostile toward you (unless you`re rude to them first).
Japan is also a lot cleaner. Basically it`s just a way more comfortable place live in nearly every way... |
if you want to think that, that's fine.
i'm going to guess that your korean and japanese language is basic at best, and you only "understand" something when it's thrown directly in your face.
personally, i think that japan and korea are similar in many places.
if i had to compare japan to my hometown, then japan is a lot dirtier.
but, again, whatever. i'll remember how clean japan is when i step into yet another bathroom that's got puddles of water surrounding the squat toilet and that smells like pee.
i will remember to tell my friend who has been yelled at by old ladies when she dares to look at her phone on the bus, that japanese people are never hostile.
same type of stuff as in korea.
again, don't come to japan and think that it's some shining place that's the anti-korea. |
You have no idea what you`re what you`re talking about... in the first place, way to go `assuming` my Japanese ability is `basic at best` (not the case), as if you know anything about me. And you`re the one who first came on here claiming that 150k yen/month was the going rate for eikaiwa teachers (so obviously wrong), which doesn`t exactly help your credibility.
Bottom line is that the personal `experiences` (or your `friend`s` ) that you`ve written here don`t mean a thing as they sound completely one-off and atypical of Japan (ex. nearly all the public washrooms, at least in Tokyo, are clean, smoking is not even allowed outside of designated areas in some of the main -kus, and old ladies yelling at strangers is pretty well unheard of) and you haven`t even said where it is that you live. Regardless, whatever negative experiences you might have had in Japan, it is nevertheless still quite different from Korea, and if you can`t even see that, then you seriously need to check your head... |
Been in both places for over 2 years here. I find that Korea and Japan seem the same on a lot of levels at first (that's what I thought when I first came to Korea). They aren't though, lots of things are quite different when you look a bit deeper. I guess on the most part, I agree with visitorq, though Japanese bathrooms can be quite bad, I remember quite a few. My ability in both was conversational and I have a lot of Japanese and Korean friends (not that that should matter). |
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suneV
Joined: 10 Jan 2008
Location: At the Flop
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| Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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I worked in Japan for about 2 years. i saved more money there than I have here. I made about 300,000 yen per month, minus 55,000 for rent.
Japan and Korea are incomparable. When you walk the streets of Japan you feel like a real person. The only time I shook my head in disbelief was when people walked around with umbrellas in the summer, and qued up for 20 seconds to stand on an escalator that only had 8 steps.
In Korea, I shake my head in disbelief 4 or 5 times a day. |
BRAVO. My feeling exactly. |
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little mixed girl
Joined: 11 Jun 2003
Location: shin hyesung's bed~
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| Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 6:05 am Post subject: |
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You have no idea what you`re what you`re talking about... in the first place, way to go `assuming` my Japanese ability is `basic at best` (not the case), as if you know anything about me. And you`re the one who first came on here claiming that 150k yen/month was the going rate for eikaiwa teachers (so obviously wrong), which doesn`t exactly help your credibility.
Bottom line is that the personal `experiences` (or your `friend`s` ) that you`ve written here don`t mean a thing as they sound completely one-off and atypical of Japan (ex. nearly all the public washrooms, at least in Tokyo, are clean, smoking is not even allowed outside of designated areas in some of the main -kus, and old ladies yelling at strangers is pretty well unheard of) and you haven`t even said where it is that you live. Regardless, whatever negative experiences you might have had in Japan, it is nevertheless still quite different from Korea, and if you can`t even see that, then you seriously need to check your head... |
i'm not an eikaiwa teacher, how would i know what they get paid?
i've heard the 150,000yen a month thrown around, so i figured it was around that much.
also, most people who were in NOVA complained that they were getting paid less than JET. JET pays about 250,000yen a month, and i heard that NOVA people were getting 150-200,000yen a month.
i don't know where you were in tokyo, but when i was there a few months ago, there was smoking everywhere. (in restaruants, on the street, etc)
i've been in korea a number of time between 2003 and 2007. i've been in japan since 2006. if you look at my posts i never said that japan is a "bad" or "negative" place.
i did, however, say that you are mistaken if you think that japan is totally different from korea. |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 6:31 am Post subject: |
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| little mixed girl wrote: |
i'm not an eikaiwa teacher, how would i know what they get paid?
i've heard the 150,000yen a month thrown around, so i figured it was around that much.
also, most people who were in NOVA complained that they were getting paid less than JET. JET pays about 250,000yen a month, and i heard that NOVA people were getting 150-200,000yen a month.
i don't know where you were in tokyo, but when i was there a few months ago, there was smoking everywhere. (in restaruants, on the street, etc)
i've been in korea a number of time between 2003 and 2007. i've been in japan since 2006. if you look at my posts i never said that japan is a "bad" or "negative" place.
i did, however, say that you are mistaken if you think that japan is totally different from korea. |
JET teachers make 300000 a month. What you might be talking about are ALT teachers, which belong to a company and are farmed out to different public schools. They tend to make 250000. None of the normal people working in the big hagwons make 150000. That's usually for part time people or working holiday visa people. Nova people were making 250000 (or more). I am very sure of these things. But, maybe your NOVA friends were telling you what they made after rent ??? That might be the cause of confusion.
There are similiarities, but the two cultures are very different. There are things like taking off your shoes and the like. But there are many, many differences deeper down. |
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little mixed girl
Joined: 11 Jun 2003
Location: shin hyesung's bed~
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 5:03 am Post subject: |
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| laogaiguk wrote: |
JET teachers make 300000 a month. What you might be talking about are ALT teachers, which belong to a company and are farmed out to different public schools. They tend to make 250000. None of the normal people working in the big hagwons make 150000. That's usually for part time people or working holiday visa people. Nova people were making 250000 (or more). I am very sure of these things. But, maybe your NOVA friends were telling you what they made after rent ??? That might be the cause of confusion.
There are similiarities, but the two cultures are very different. There are things like taking off your shoes and the like. But there are many, many differences deeper down. |
JET is 300,000 a month, but after taxes and insurance, what hits the account is 250,000 some. so, if other ppl are making 250,000yen a month on paper, what they are taking home is less than that.
what i was talking about is the take home, what hits the account money.
so, if a school is telling a person they pay 200,000yen a month, what the person is taking home is less than that...
nova people had money taken out each month for taxes, insurance AND rent, while making less per month than JETs.
again, i never said that japan and korea are totally the same. but they have a lot of similarities that overlap.
and the things that upset people on this page are the same type of things that foreigners in japan get upset about.
(having to take nenkyuu when they get sick instead of byokyuu because "that's how it's done in japan"; having ideas shot down because "that's not how we do it in japan", having people talk to you because they want free english lessons and not because they are interested in friendship (a JET survey revealed that most JETs have no "close" japanese friends or "acquaintances"); etc, etc.
i think some people are caught up in the "grass is greener on the other side" thing... |
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Cheonmunka
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| People are much more friendly, at least from the outside. This is still fine unless you plan on living there for life. |
What does this mean? |
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