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'Stop Korea's Grand Canal!' on Facebook
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kiwiduncan



Joined: 18 Jun 2007
Location: New Zealand

PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:30 pm    Post subject: 'Stop Korea's Grand Canal!' on Facebook Reply with quote

First of all, I'm sorry to be flogging a dead horse here, but I really do think Lee Myung Park's grand canal plan is going to be the mistake of a generation. However, given that one of my most recent posts on Daves was about kicking a bunch of Bible Bashers out of my classroom, I can understand that some of the regulars here may think I'm a bit of a hypocrite with my constant w@nking on about environmental issues Embarassed
I guess the main difference here is that this is an open forum for debate and discussion, rather than a classroom full of captive-audience students.
Anyway, back to the main point. As you all know by now, LMB is determined to press ahead with his plans to turn the Han and Nakdong rivers into a massive canal system. And, following what's been said in the Korean news, despite declining public support dropping and growing opposition, the new government has stated that whilst they will take citizens' opinions and suggestions into account, there is now no backing out of the project.
In fact, the patronising arrogance of the politicians behind the canal plan is now one of the main reasons public opposition is increasing. Some are primarily concerned about water quality, others are worried about the ecosystem and yet others simply believe the canal project will be a waste of money. But frustration at the arrogance of LMB and his supporters in pushing through with the project and in casting any opposition to the canal as simply being 'political' or 'uninformed' seems to be what is fueling a lot of the new opposition.

So please check out the facebook group below if you are interested in learning more about the grand canal plan. The main purpose of setting up the group was to collect together English-language materials about the project (and to occasionally coordinate participating in demonstrations and so on) and if you look on the discussion board and through the photos albums you can learn a lot.

I know a lot of the posters here are a bit cynical about the state of Korean society and the local environment. Some have said, and will continue to say, "it's none of our business", "don't interfere" and "let them f@ck it up, it'll be a giggle". But I for one am sick of sitting on the sidelines slagging off Korea yet doing nothing to help.

Also, as I've suggested in previous posts, if you genuinely support the project, then please give your reasons and evidence.

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=7935272621

Cheers,

Duncan



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spliff



Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand

PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They should build 20 of them, IMHO.
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RACETRAITOR



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It would be faster to just sink the entire country under the water.
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kiwiduncan



Joined: 18 Jun 2007
Location: New Zealand

PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spliff wrote:
They should build 20 of them, IMHO.


Thanks Spliff
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IncognitoHFX



Joined: 06 May 2007
Location: Yeongtong, Suwon

PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't find it on Facebook.
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kiwiduncan



Joined: 18 Jun 2007
Location: New Zealand

PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IncognitoHFX wrote:
I can't find it on Facebook.


Strange. I tried searching for it using "Stop Korea's Grand Canal" myself and it did not appear.

I've changed the settings to Common Interests - Beliefs and Causes, so try again, otherwise PM me or send me a message via facebook (I'm Duncan McGilvray Davidson).

Here's a link. I hope it works.

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=7935272621
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Benicio



Joined: 25 May 2006
Location: Down South- where it's hot & wet

PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reminds me of this skit from Saturday Night Live way back.
http://snltranscripts.jt.org/88/88j.phtml
It was John Malkovich as "Johnny Canal"
Set in the post revolutionary period USA where the new government is planning how to set up the new nation. They are on the topic of a national transportation system. In walks Jonny Canal.
Malkovich is dressed like Davy Crockett in animal hide with a coonskin cap and knife in his belt.
He proceeds to tell the committee about his idea of interconnecting towns and cities with a huge system of canals. He pulls out a ridiculous map of the plan that has most of the country's space taken up by canals.
Part of his idea is that the canals would not be connected to each other. Each town would have its own singular canal to each other town. Ridiculous, right?
Well, whenever a committee member asks a question that points out the difficulty in logistics or the sheer ridiculousness of the plan, Johnny gets confused, pulls out his knife and lunges threateningly at the inquisitor, only to be pulled off before killing him. This happens several times.
It was a very strange and silly skit, but perfect for this situation!
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IncognitoHFX



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Location: Yeongtong, Suwon

PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, I joined. Stole your wall's virginity too.
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anyangoldboy



Joined: 28 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This wont apply if you are Korean by why should us foreigners care about what the Korean's do to their own country when it's their's???
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cazador83



Joined: 28 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

what are the pros and cons to this? why is there even discussion? i dont have a clue what this really means so thats why im asking...
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kiwiduncan



Joined: 18 Jun 2007
Location: New Zealand

PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cazador83 wrote:
what are the pros and cons to this? why is there even discussion? i dont have a clue what this really means so thats why im asking...


I've been ranting against the evils of Lee Myung Bak's grand canal plan for some weeks now. Check out this link to see why so many environmentalists, economists and everyday Koreans are opposed to canal plans.

http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=110273&highlight=

I only set up the facebook group this afternoon so there's not much background detail up there yet. I'll add more information this evening.
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itaewonguy



Joined: 25 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 11:55 pm    Post subject: Re: 'Stop Korea's Grand Canal!' on Facebook Reply with quote

kiwiduncan wrote:
I've just set-up a grand canal opposition group on Facebook if anyone is interested.

It's called 'Stop Korea's Grand Canal!'



WHY???? its a great idea!!
its just going to cost us all money! as taxes are on the up..
but over all its not a bad idea..

I hope they get around to the cleaning the banks of the hangang
as there could be more parks, cafes, resatuarants, and activity things down there to do.. still way to much bush down there..
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Hanson



Joined: 20 Oct 2004

PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

With the way the Korean environment is treated in general, I wonder why this plan, in particular, has raised your ire, OP. I'm much more concerned about the other crappy ways the environment gets dumped on here than this canal idea...
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flummuxt



Joined: 15 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 2:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not against canals, per se. But wouldn't a canal from Seoul to Tokyo make more sense?
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kiwiduncan



Joined: 18 Jun 2007
Location: New Zealand

PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 2:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hanson wrote:
With the way the Korean environment is treated in general, I wonder why this plan, in particular, has raised your ire, OP. I'm much more concerned about the other crappy ways the environment gets dumped on here than this canal idea...


I know where you're coming from. The unbelievable amount of excess packaging, the obsession with oversized SUVs and aversion to smaller cars, the overheated rooms in winter and over-airconditioned rooms in summer, the way huge areas of the Korean countryside are still being bulldozed and leveled for golf courses, hotels, car parks and ski resorts and loads of other things get me really wound up.

But the grand canal project will result in two of Korea's major rivers being effectively gouged out for most of their lengths in order to facilitate cargo ships. Propoents smugly say "don't worry, we won't be building a concrete lined canal the length of the country", but they will be doing serious damage to the river ecosystems. The rivers will be dredged and widened, massive locks and reservoirs will be built and LMB's vision seems to be to have the entire route lined with tourist hotels, condominiums and container terminals. The average depth of the Han and Nakdong rivers is 2-3m but they will need to be dredged to a depth of 6-9 metres in order for ships to pass through.

The main thing that separates this from other environmental issues in Korea is that it has not started yet. And if they can generate enough interest in the issues and ensure the average Korean is properly informed about the environmental and economic costs of the canal plans, maybe it can be stopped.

If you are interested in learning more about the issues check out;

www.kfem.or.kr

www.gobada.co.kr

If you are interested in other green issues in Korea then also check out Korean International Green Group of Facebook too. It was set-up to inform foreign residents in Korea about environmental issues here and to hopefully foster a network of foreign and korean greenies so that they can share information and ideas.

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=7153561274
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