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anyway

Joined: 22 Oct 2005

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 3:47 am Post subject:

cunning_stunt wrote:

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EVERY MODERN ADVANCEMENT TOWARDS HUMAN DIGNITY? Wow, that sounds like you're not treating everyone as an individual. Please reassure me that you are treating everyone who has made a contribution toward human dignity as an individual.

How do you know that we'd be worse off? Cause white men are so great? Better than other men?

Anytime you say 'I never', you don't need to include a location. Let me illustrate. "I never made a racist remark, and I certainly never made a racist remark about other cultures being inferior to the white western culture due to lack of contribution toward the advancement of human dignity."

Just playing it by your rules sweetcakes . You want to make general statements that white men are oppressive , I get to make a statement like that . If I am going to be lumped in for all the bad white people do , I may as well illustrate it's flaws by taking credit for the good things . Again , you fail . Points for trying though .

I can say "I never made a racist remark" ...but I can't prove it . Then I can make a seperate point that "I certainly never made one on here" ...carrying that assumption than you know I can't prove the first point . It's not hard stuff to grasp .

Again, the history speaks for itself. The history between the genders all over the world is quite a bit different than comparing cultures. Why? Because the same behavior between genders occurs across cultures.

If one wants to attribute all the 'good' to one culture, then that is commonly referred to as racism. The western nations are famous for colonialism. Not that it didn't happen in other places, but everyone agrees that the west was a lot better at raping the earth of its resources and it continues to lead in that area. Although in a very dignified way - as you say - for 'everyone'.

cunning_stunt

Joined: 16 Dec 2007

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 3:56 am Post subject:

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The same behaviour for ALL HUMANITY occurs . Strong oppress the weak . I don't have to be defending colonialism to point out that ...for example in South Africa...there was a guy named Shaka Zulu around who was not all that interested in exchanging philosophical arguments and singing "heal the world" so much as well...raping and killing everyone . Again however bad colonialism was , whatever the alternative was worse .

We could do this all day . You will make a statement trying to show demonstrate to me the evil of the white man and I'll point out the absurdity of it .

I don't know about you , but it is getting dull for me . Especially since i'm a libetarian and I believe in a thing called "the individual" and "personal responsibility " . And that can only exist in a world were people stop seeing themselves as victims and playing the blame game .Until people can take responsibility for themselves and see themselves as masters of their destiny they can never do the same for others .

People can never be free until they see themselves as such . Determinism , Emmanuel Kant and all that . It's really to womens benefit to stop looking to others to solve their problems , and to history to blame their inadequecies ..

anyway

Joined: 22 Oct 2005

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 4:11 am Post subject:

cunning_stunt wrote:

Again however bad colonialism was , whatever the alternative was is worse .

We could do this all day . You will make a statement trying to show demonstrate to me the evil of the white man and I'll point out the absurdity of it .

I don't know about you , but it is getting dull for me .

Aww, c'mon, just a minute ago you were telling me to quit. Now you want to quit. I understand that repeating the same caca over and over would get a bit boring. Sure, sure, you've probably got some Rand to reread. Don't let me keep you.

But every now and then you get off your scripted message and throw out a statement like the above which allow the whole world to have a look at your blatant and unrepentant racism.

The fact that your username, cunning stunt, is an indirect reference to one of the most disrespectful words for women kind of gives away your sexist schtick, huh? But I suppose you treat each cnut as an individual, right? Good on ya. Rand would be so proud.

cunning_stunt

Joined: 16 Dec 2007

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 4:24 am Post subject:

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You are calling a racist again without even yet apologising for the last time . Bad manners . The simple truth is that colonialism (which by the way was parasitism and had very little philanthropic about it ) brought about many unintentional benefits : Medicine , stability and the likes . Must I pretend this isn't true to sound politically correct and to help your blood pressure ? No thanks .

Actually I never use the C word to disrepect women . Where I come from we use it to our male friends to disrespect them . I suppose our intentions are to humiliate women rather than each other ....or it shows our disrespect for women or something....I don't know...why don't you tell us men how what we really mean to do all the time is oppress women , but we sure can't detect or sense it ourselves . Must be my evil rampant insatiable male sexuality that just can wait to rape someone expressing itself .

That's the whole point of radical feminism isn't it ? Because it's too much of a lie for even you bunch to try and insist real sexism still exists on any detectable or grand scale ...you imply that sexism is subliminal and hidden and exists in the minds and intentions of men . That secretly men hate and want to subdue women or some similiar rhetoric . Either attach yourself to this rhetoric or dissasociate from it ...i'm curious to know where you stand on this .

Also I'm curious to know you opinions on men , their sexuality and rights .

Last edited by cunning_stunt on Tue Jan 29, 2008 4:33 am; edited 2 times in total

rD.NaTas

Joined: 06 Nov 2007
Location: changwon

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 4:28 am Post subject:

[quote="anyway"]

cunning_stunt wrote:

White men are the ones that typically abused other people ? We're the scum of the earth ?

The rennaisance ? the enlightenment ? Art ? Democracy ? Civil rights ? Medicine? Science ? Who exactly brought these things and just about every modern advancement that dragged us towards human dignity about ? Whatever that point illustrates it points out for whatever ills the 'white man" has done , without him we'd be far , far worse off . That goes for everyone .

Does that offend you ? Tough luck , I don't care , You offend me when you try and lump me in with rapists and oppresive scum bags .

Qualify the statement ? Hardly . Just pointing out CETAINLY never in the forum whereby you seem to draw your conclusion .

Give up , you fail .

Never called white men the scum of the earth.

EVERY MODERN ADVANCEMENT TOWARDS HUMAN DIGNITY? Wow, that sounds like you're not treating everyone as an individual. Please reassure me that you are treating everyone who has made a contribution toward human dignity as an individual.

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Little Miss Poopy-pants weren't you the one saying that men were responsible for the creation of society and therefore its oppression of women? skoont bag

anyway

Joined: 22 Oct 2005

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 4:53 am Post subject:

[quote="rD.NaTas"]

anyway wrote:

cunning_stunt wrote:

Wow, that was a remarkably long post for you! Next time put two sentences together and you might even make a point.

And I see you cleaned up your punctuation for a while there after I noticed its similarity to stunt's. Why?

rD.NaTas

Joined: 06 Nov 2007
Location: changwon

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 5:16 am Post subject:

i took my vitamins today...and skunt and i are not the same sheesh , you have such a hard on for us its intense two points dont make a stick.........

Scarlet13

Joined: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Changwon

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 5:32 am Post subject:

[quote="anyway"]

rD.NaTas wrote:

anyway wrote:

cunning_stunt wrote:

hahahaha....that's cute it made us both laugh Very Happy

They seriously aren't the same though, isn't Stunt in Africa?

Kimchieluver

Joined: 02 Mar 2005

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 5:48 am Post subject:

Men get assaulted too. In many ways, except there is no lobbying group for us. I bet if a survey was worded properly, we would get 1/4 sexually harassed.

Scarlet13

Joined: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Changwon

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 5:54 am Post subject:

11% of rape victims are men, we got into it a few pages back.

Kimchieluver

Joined: 02 Mar 2005

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 6:04 am Post subject:

Scarlet13 wrote:

11% of rape victims are men, we got into it a few pages back.

In Korea I have been touched in so many ways by so many men, there would be a black eye on every VP and director I have come in contact with. The arm feely thing never seems to go away. I tell my co-teachers it is wrong but they just call it "skinship". They never would do that to a female waygookin. I have had my tummy rubbed, my back massaged by every age imaginable, my head and hair stroked, involuntary back scratchings etc.. And if you think I am the only one, just ask a few people who have lived hear for a few years.

If a guy says to a woman "You are very sexy" .. it is harassment... if a woman says it to a man it is a compliment .. even though she may be signing your contract at the time.

cunning_stunt

Joined: 16 Dec 2007

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 6:06 am Post subject:

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They seriously aren't the same though, isn't Stunt in Africa?

Nope . I'm in Korea .

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Men get assaulted too. In many ways, except there is no lobbying group for us. I bet if a survey was worded properly, we would get 1/4 sexually harassed.

Actually the way the questions to the "1 in 2 women are raped" survey is worded....if the same survery were offered to men we'd pretty much all be "rape ' victims too and women would all be rapists . Ever felt a bit lazy but your lady friend wanted some loving , so you obliged ? Do you know you were raped ? Ever gotten drunk and some girls has taken you home ? Raped again ! I could go on , but you get the point .

The faulty assumption at work here is that feminists see the male sexuality as evil and predatory...whilst female sexual urges are "beautiful and natural" ....So a man and a women having sex is always by their wacky definition a violation of women . Madness .

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11% of rape victims are men, we got into it a few pages back.

And the gross majority of physical spousal abuse is women hitting men . But anyman who would complain about this would be ridiculed...and anyman who would fight back would go to jail . Men have less rights to their children and are shunted in divorce . Men are more likely to stay in an unhappy marriage etc....but you won't hear these feminists ....so called interested in gender equality...ever stand up for men .

I think there is a good argument that's it's time society sat back and listened with a compassionate heart to the feelings of men ., instead of demonising them . If feminists truly were interested in gender equality and not simple man hating groups , they would have no issue with this .What do you say feminists ?

Scarlet13

Joined: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Changwon

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 6:10 am Post subject:

Until that last line I thought these were men rubbing your tummy! I get how you feel I keep getting harassed by random old men. I once had a cab driver nearly put me in a head lock will trying to kiss me while he was driving. First time I ever thought about jumping out of a moving car. There is a huge difference btwn men over 40 and younger men. I find younger guys to be respecful but some older guys are a little scary at times. But still its no worse than home

Scarlet13

Joined: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Changwon

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 6:20 am Post subject:

cunning_stunt wrote:

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They seriously aren't the same though, isn't Stunt in Africa?

Nope . I'm in Korea .

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Men get assaulted too. In many ways, except there is no lobbying group for us. I bet if a survey was worded properly, we would get 1/4 sexually harassed.

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11% of rape victims are men, we got into it a few pages back.

Hey, I'm a feminist I have done a lot of standing up for men. I know a lot of women who think the way I do. I see nothing to be gainned by demonizing men, or pretending that there aren't significant problems for them us well. BTW I totally agree with you on the issue of children and the courts tendacy to respect the mother's rights more than the father's. I think this is a huge problem.

One thing I have been pondering lately is this increase in sexual violence against BOTH men and women. Other crime rates in North America are going down why do you think that after 50 plus years of feminism there is more sexual violence? Of course it could be that it just appears to be worse because more people are reporting things nowadays, what do you all think?

Kimchieluver

Joined: 02 Mar 2005

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 6:20 am Post subject:

Scarlet13 wrote:

Until that last line I thought these were men rubbing your tummy! I get how you feel I keep getting harassed by random old men. I once had a cab driver nearly put me in a head lock will trying to kiss me while he was driving. First time I ever thought about jumping out of a moving car.

There is a huge difference btwn men over 40 and younger men. I find younger guys to be respecful but some older guys are a little scary at times. But still its no worse than home Sad

I have middle school girls touching me everywhere except the main "no-nos" and even then I get the odd finger up the butt. I have had co-teachers talk about "if only I wasn't married".. and they are married.. I have had middle school girl students ask me who is the most beautiful.. I tell them I think they are all ugly. I have had my picture taken and posted on the net. I could go on, but Korean culture leads to sexual harassment both ways.

BTW, I am just average looking.

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