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Public vs. Private (Hagwon) Schools - Advice?
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Justice540



Joined: 24 Jan 2008
Location: Boston, MA

PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:46 am    Post subject: Public vs. Private (Hagwon) Schools - Advice? Reply with quote

I was wondering what everyone's thoughts were on Public vs. Private schools in Seoul. My questions are:

1)Has anyone ever worked in both?
2)Which do you find better?
3)If one is better than the other Why?

I'll be going to SK later in the year and want to start researching beforehand. It will be my first year. Any information is greatly appreciated. Thanks!
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Omkara



Joined: 18 Feb 2006
Location: USA

PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My experience in a public school is much better. It's more stable; the support is better; the contracts are firmer; they are not trying to make money from your good looks.

I just re-signed my P.S. contract.

A P.S. is a far safer bet. A hagwan is a gamble.
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Justice540



Joined: 24 Jan 2008
Location: Boston, MA

PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Omkara wrote:
My experience in a public school is much better. It's more stable; the support is better; the contracts are firmer; they are not trying to make money from your good looks.

I just re-signed my P.S. contract.

A P.S. is a far safer bet. A hagwan is a gamble.


Thanks for the advice so far. I know there are some postings about this topic in other places but they are back dated to 2004 and I wanted some updated information. I think I'll be looking into Public Schools. Anyone else?
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nashvegas



Joined: 14 Jan 2008

PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Omkara. I'm in the same boat you are (just starting the process) but I can pass on what I've gathered and hope that it helps.

1. P.S. is almost always better, but harder to get.
2. Hogwans can be good, especially if you are not a morning person, but make sure to do plenty of research about the school and always talk to past and present teachers.
3. You are less likely to have problems with pay/severence/insurance/pension with a P.S.
4. You will have smaller classes in a Hogwan (usually less than 12 vs. 20-30 in P.S.).

I've been told that in order to get a P.S. job later this year, make sure you get your documents in early. They tend to fill up with first come/first serve. For myself, I'll be leaving the USA for the first time ever (I don't count vacationing in Mexico) so I'm doing everything I can to get a P.S. job because I feel safer with one. Once I get to Korea, I may find Hogwan that I like and want to work at once my P.S. contract is finished. Hope this helps.


BTW...Did I spell "Hogwan" correctly? I've seen it spelled a million different ways Smile

Edit: A good thing I've done is to do a general search using google (or your favorite search engine) for blogs posted by people living in the area that you're interested in. Ex: Pusan blogs, Seoul blogs, Hongdae blogs. They are a wealth of knowledge.


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Zaria32



Joined: 04 Dec 2007

PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spellings of Korean words are iffy...

Some people insist it should be spelled "hakwon," but my Korean tutor says that when the Hangul character which can be pronounced either k or g (I can't use Hangul on here, unfortunately) has a vowel sound on either side of it, it softens from the k sound to the g sound. Therefore
"hogwon."

I'm sure some will argue with me and for all I know they're right.
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suneV



Joined: 10 Jan 2008
Location: At the Flop

PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've worked both jobs and always tell people -

Public school is tohakwan what steak is to spam.

Unless it paid like 3 million, you'd be an idiot to take a hakwan job over a ps job, plain and simple, no more to say about it as it's been done to death and I've written this same post around a hundred times.

Just trust me on this one.
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anyangoldboy



Joined: 28 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Public school might be safer and with slightly more pay but there is a lot of BS involved...You have like the whole school

admin to deal with...

teachers outings...

bigger classes...I teach after school and the class sizes are around 20 and you spend a good bit of it shouting just to get them to listen etc...

Not the best material to work with...sometimes...I know people who make up their own material because the school material is just too bad...

You have a lot of down time after teaching...

You'd have to be a morning person...

My next job in August will be with a Hagwon...because...

I won't have to wake up early...Especially good for monday because having to wake up early for monday isn't my cup of tea...I do it now but just looking forward to a hagwon job in August...(I finish early June)

The material is generally better because if you go to a school who have had a few years of Foreign teachers they have usually suggested new books etc...

The class sizes are smaller and the parents want the kids to learn more because they are actually paying for the class...

You generally only have to deal with one boss where as in the public school you have to deal with the head master, VP, admin etc...

You generally get more hours teaching but if you can get a good hagwon there are sometimes school outings etc...I've been to the cinema, theme park etc...

Less prep time i've found...Also the level of the kids English is generally better compared to public school kids...

You can actually have more of an involvement in a kids development...If you have a bad student you can tell your boss and they I think are more likely to do something about it where as if in public school you are pretty much stuck with the kid...

That's just my view though...Everyone has their own view and their own situation so it might be different for everyone else...

Just my two cents...
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suneV



Joined: 10 Jan 2008
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

anyangoldboy wrote:
Public school might be safer and with slightly more pay but there is a lot of BS involved...You have like the whole school

admin to deal with...

Worked at two public schools and had less admin related bs than I have with hakwans

teachers outings...

bigger classes...I teach after school and the class sizes are around 20 and you spend a good bit of it shouting just to get them to listen etc...

No afterschool teaching for me and the kids in class are as good as gold as I co-teach

Not the best material to work with...sometimes...I know people who make up their own material because the school material is just too bad...

Same goes with every hakwan I've ever worked at.

You have a lot of down time after teaching...

REad - you get a lot of free time to watch movies and surf the net which you don't get at a hakwan and will wish you did.

You'd have to be a morning person...

You actually get to do stuff in the evenings, like have hobbies and a social life.

My next job in August will be with a Hagwon...because...

I won't have to wake up early...Especially good for monday because having to wake up early for monday isn't my cup of tea...I do it now but just looking forward to a hagwon job in August...(I finish early June)

The material is generally better because if you go to a school who have had a few years of Foreign teachers they have usually suggested new books etc...

The class sizes are smaller and the parents want the kids to learn more because they are actually paying for the class...

Oh, poor deluded thing, just you wait....

You generally only have to deal with one boss where as in the public school you have to deal with the head master, VP, admin etc...

See my above comment and times it by 100

You generally get more hours teaching but if you can get a good hagwon there are sometimes school outings etc...I've been to the cinema, theme park etc...

I'd rather do those things in the extra vacation time I get thqanks and all of the random days off for teach training / ceremonies / exams etc. Or the two weeks vacation not in my contract I get at the end of FEb as school is out until March for the new semester! Enjoy your 10 days vacation at your hakkie though!

Less prep time i've found...Also the level of the kids English is generally better compared to public school kids...

I find the complete opposite. I've had 5 hakkie jobs and two ps jobs. Weird....

You can actually have more of an involvement in a kids development...If you have a bad student you can tell your boss and they I think are more likely to do something about it where as if in public school you are pretty much stuck with the kid...

Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

That's just my view though...Everyone has their own view and their own situation so it might be different for everyone else...

Just my two cents...


Dude, I think your making a big mistake. It's like leaving a job as a silver service waiter at a decent hotel to go work at maccy d's. I'd be re-thinking your job change seriously if I were you... just my two pennies worth...
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anyangoldboy



Joined: 28 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

suneV wrote:
anyangoldboy wrote:
Public school might be safer and with slightly more pay but there is a lot of BS involved...You have like the whole school

admin to deal with...

Worked at two public schools and had less admin related bs than I have with hakwans

teachers outings...

bigger classes...I teach after school and the class sizes are around 20 and you spend a good bit of it shouting just to get them to listen etc...

No afterschool teaching for me and the kids in class are as good as gold as I co-teach

Not the best material to work with...sometimes...I know people who make up their own material because the school material is just too bad...

Same goes with every hakwan I've ever worked at.

You have a lot of down time after teaching...

REad - you get a lot of free time to watch movies and surf the net which you don't get at a hakwan and will wish you did.

You'd have to be a morning person...

You actually get to do stuff in the evenings, like have hobbies and a social life.

My next job in August will be with a Hagwon...because...

I won't have to wake up early...Especially good for monday because having to wake up earl