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billybrobby
Joined: 09 Dec 2004
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| Mebertz wrote: |
Billy,
If you and your friends didn't do well at taste tests, chances are you didn't use good ales and used such things as Budweiser, Miller, Molson, Labatt, and Corona, beers which real ale folks detest. I am a beer snob, but I also prefer a good Italian tomato sauce to a canned Korean tomato sauce. Does that mean I am a spaghetti snob too? There are things that should taste a certain way if they are to be called by the names we call them. Beer and ale should be handcrafted with attention to flavor and aroma imparted by hops, yeasts strains, and adjuncts like fruit and spices.
Why not just put some urine in a bucket, add some yeast for fermentation, and then a little corn sugar for bottle conditioning and carbonation and call it beer? If it isn't real ale or a decent lager, it should not bear the name "beer". This is only my opinion, yet anyone who has made the switch to hand-crafted brews will tell you there's no going back. For those who don't make the switch, you don't know what you're missing.
Peace out,
Mike |
I dunno what you consider hand-crafted, but there are dozens of microbrews at any American grocery store, and I've drank plenty of them. Meh. Are you talking about some sort of secret batch that your uncle makes? |
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Mebertz
Joined: 16 Dec 2007
Location: Suncheon
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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| billybrobby wrote: |
| [I dunno what you consider hand-crafted, but there are dozens of microbrews at any American grocery store, and I've drank plenty of them. Meh. Are you talking about some sort of secret batch that your uncle makes? |
Name them. I'll let you know if they're good. You obviously need some tutelage on the subject.
Mike |
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reactionary
Joined: 22 Oct 2006
Location: korreia
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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yeah dude, to claim that the difference between beers is as insignificant as that between coke and pepsi..........
is miller better than cass? hell no.
is sam adams better than hite stout or cafri(let's compare two macro but less common beers)? hell yes.
i agree, arguing over whether miller is better than cass (or, hell, even if stella artois is better than pilsner urchell - both are similar enough to me) is a boring waste of time, but you can't just write off all beers as equal.
not only that, but the korean market doesn't try to delve into anything remotely non-lager, except hite stout, and i dont know what the hell that watery stuff is.
if you can't taste that, blindfold or not, i got a wine for ya, pal. jinro red. also i hear there's this really great vodka called cham ee sul. |
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nicholas_chiasson
Joined: 14 Jun 2007
Location: Samcheok
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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| billybrobby wrote: |
It's just a theory, but I think that alcohol consumption is widely view as fashionable and manly, so a lot of people develop strong opinions and brand preferences to show how fashionable and manly they are.
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I for one hated beer, and then I discovered beer from other countries. Even know I hate drinking American domestics. They don't taste the same. At the same time I like russian mass produced brew, especially Baltika. There is nothing 'elite' about Baltika. |
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billybrobby
Joined: 09 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 3:36 am Post subject: |
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| Mebertz wrote: |
| billybrobby wrote: |
| [I dunno what you consider hand-crafted, but there are dozens of microbrews at any American grocery store, and I've drank plenty of them. Meh. Are you talking about some sort of secret batch that your uncle makes? |
Name them. I'll let you know if they're good. You obviously need some tutelage on the subject.
Mike |
Well, you being the expert, it'd be easier if you named a beer that I ought to try. I've never heard of somebody going to a restaurant and listing a bunch of terrible wines for the sommelier. But I'll give it a shot.
I've had all those beers like Pete's Wicked, Sierra Nevada, Flying Dog, Sam Adams, etc. And a bunch of random little brews the names of which I can't remember. And all the famous foreign brands from guinness to grolsch to beck's to whatever. Probably about 75% of all the beers you can find in an up-market grocery store.
Some were better than others, but none of them blew my mind to the extent that I could NEVAR GO BACK(!) to bud light again. |
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Mebertz
Joined: 16 Dec 2007
Location: Suncheon
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 4:13 am Post subject: |
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Sierra Nevada Pale Ale is the godfather of microbrews. Well, Anchor Steam is, but Sierra Nevada was next and better. They set a standard for hopping beer that has been surpassed many times, but they were the first to do it well. I'm not surprised you don't love it. Going from light beer to that is kind of like going from Korean pizza, to New York style. I like a tangy sauce, and that's why I like hoppy beer, I suppose. Pete's is not very good, really and Sam Adams... wait for their seasonals. Guinness, though it has my heart, is not as good a stout as Beamish. In order to drink Guinness, it must be on tap and at the correct temperature or it is too harsh, and that's a fact.
If you kind find some New Holland products from Michigan, I think you will like them far more than light beer. The next step will be Belgian, Trappist ales that will kick your butt and take names, but are not to be missed.
Cheers,
Mike |
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mistermasan
Joined: 20 Sep 2007
Location: 10+ yrs on Dave's ESL cafe
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 4:24 am Post subject: |
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| pepsi should be outlawed. that stuff is toxic. ditto pepsi. but until then do...the piquant zing of the cola in coke far surpasses the weak, syrupy limpness that is pepsi. now, cherry pepsi is truly god's perfect carbonated nectar. that and A&W cream. great at any room temperature. the mexican coke, still made with sugar shames the US version with the palette stultifying high fructose corn syrup cheap substitute. |
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reactionary
Joined: 22 Oct 2006
Location: korreia
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 5:19 am Post subject: |
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| psshht man, i only drink micro brewery root beers...like Barq's |
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Chris Kwon
Joined: 23 Jan 2008
Location: North Korea
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 7:21 am Post subject: |
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soju + beer tonight =  lol |
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billybrobby
Joined: 09 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 8:52 am Post subject: |
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| Mebertz wrote: |
Sierra Nevada Pale Ale is the godfather of microbrews. Well, Anchor Steam is, but Sierra Nevada was next and better. They set a standard for hopping beer that has been surpassed many times, but they were the first to do it well. I'm not surprised you don't love it. Going from light beer to that is kind of like going from Korean pizza, to New York style. I like a tangy sauce, and that's why I like hoppy beer, I suppose. Pete's is not very good, really and Sam Adams... wait for their seasonals. Guinness, though it has my heart, is not as good a stout as Beamish. In order to drink Guinness, it must be on tap and at the correct temperature or it is too harsh, and that's a fact.
If you kind find some New Holland products from Michigan, I think you will like them far more than light beer. The next step will be Belgian, Trappist ales that will kick your butt and take names, but are not to be missed.
Cheers,
Mike |
I almost lost track of my original point. I was about to argue that Sierra Nevada sucks, but then I realized I'd be totally going against what I was saying in the first place. My point was not that microbrews suck or that they're as indistinguishable as coke and pepsi. My point was that people get totally worked up over their favorite and least favorite beers as if they are sports teams. It's silly. Sure, fresh marinara sauce is better than something from the can, but nobody says, "you'd have to be total moron to eat Ragu" like the way they are about beers.
I've never drank a beer that was wholly terrible. It's like pizza; even when it's bad it's good. So when somebody says they refuse to drink this or that beer, they come off as being like the princess and pea to me, even though their intent is to come off as being sophisticated. If I was at a bar with some people and all they had was Cass, and some guy didn't drink it out of principle, I'd laugh him away from the table. Actually, I'd probably just sit there quietly and think he's a douchebag, but you get the idea.
BTW, there's a Sierra Nevada bar right out of Yangjae station exit 2 (i think). I've never been in it (as you can imagine) so I don't know whether they have the stuff on tap or what the deal is, but you might like to check it out. |
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nicholas_chiasson
Joined: 14 Jun 2007
Location: Samcheok
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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| No cass and hite are only better then NOTHING when you're out with KOreans and don't want Soju. But only a crazy man would drink them by choice. |
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reactionary
Joined: 22 Oct 2006
Location: korreia
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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| i might drink cass by choice, if it was priced appropriately like old milwaukee or something. 50 cents a can. i'm ok with drinking an inferior product at a low price. it just bothers me that i am positively gouged if i want something else. |
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billybrobby
Joined: 09 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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| nicholas_chiasson wrote: |
| No cass and hite are only better then NOTHING when you're out with KOreans and don't want Soju. But only a crazy man would drink them by choice. |
See? It's stuff like this. "Only a crazy man!!!" Really? Do I have to be crazy to drink some benign, watery beer? Is that so crazy? |
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Mebertz
Joined: 16 Dec 2007
Location: Suncheon
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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billyrobby,
I can't answer that question, but I will try it this way: Is it crazy to eat Korean food if Italian food is available? Korean food is benign for the most part, but given availability of Italian, Mexican, French, Japanese, or good old Irish stews, is Korean food the best choice? Only you can answer that question for yourself.
Cheers,
Mike |
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nicholas_chiasson
Joined: 14 Jun 2007
Location: Samcheok
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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-I think food is a subjective taste, with beer far more objective. As one poster has mentioned real beer has different, higher quality ingredients than bad beer. I've eaten Korean food in the states and liked it. I've eaten korean food and thrown it up. I prefer Mexican or Italian yes, but I'm not going to say Italian food is better quality.
-In comparison does anyone think Korean beer is good? No. Does K-beer get exported to the US? No. Not as far as I know. Does Chinese Beer get exported? Yes. Tsing Tao is available in Delaware. Does Italian Beer get exported? Yes. Does Jamacan Beer get exported? Yes. Does Japanese Beer get exported? Yes. NOTICE A TREND WITH KOREAN BEER YET? Therefore to argue that K-beer is an 'acceptable product when ANYTHING else is available is a bizzare lapse of logic. |
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