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afsjesse
Joined: 23 Sep 2007
Location: Kickin' it in 'Kato town.
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 Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 8:50 pm Post subject: Working on Saturday? |
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So my director just informed me that I MUST work this Saturday and that it is law because the hagwon has to be open so many days a month and if we dont work this saturday we wont make it because of Lunar New Year.
I asked him if this is over time for me and he said no. I personally dont care if I work saturday, but I do care about being farsed. This sounds like a crock of sh#@ to me.... any of you been told the same thing? |
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boyne11
Joined: 08 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, it's crock of what ever. 
Don't bend over and let your boss have at it.  |
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The Grumpy Senator
Joined: 13 Jan 2008
Location: Up and down the 6 line
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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| This sounds like a crock to me. I think he had made a deal with the parents to have classes on Saturday in order to meet the 20 classes a month that most hagwons use as a standard month. This is not unheard of, but it could have been handled better. The owner should have let you teachers know about the possibility of Saturday work as soon as he could. |
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Ilsanman
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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Say yes on one condition:
In any month that has more than 20 working days, you get any excess days off. |
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Lonewolf
Joined: 02 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Tell him to read his contract that say's you don't work on Saturdays. |
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nomad-ish
Joined: 08 Oct 2007
Location: On the bottom of the food chain
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Lonewolf wrote: |
| Tell him to read his contract that say's you don't work on Saturdays. |
unless i felt that my boss went above and beyond for me on other occasions, i would just highlight the part that says no saturdays and show it to him |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Everyone knows contracts aren't worth the paper they're written on here. So you want to take a Saturday off. Just insist on it. You'll eventually win, and that's all there is to it. If you bow down, expect to work a lot more Saturdays. |
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cdninkorea
Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 3:07 am Post subject: |
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| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| Everyone knows contracts aren't worth the paper they're written on here. So you want to take a Saturday off. Just insist on it. You'll eventually win, and that's all there is to it. If you bow down, expect to work a lot more Saturdays. |
You're absolutely right about contract, but my bosses have never come out and said that the contract is worthless- whenever I point to it and insist on it being followed they have always been at a loss for words. Because of this it usually works.
I can't speak for all Koreans though of course.
But yes, if you work this Saturday, expect to work more. My experience with Korean bosses is that, changing an old cliche, "if you give 'em a millimetre, they're take a whole goddamn continent." Sometimes being flexible is not a virtue and rather seen as weakness.
Maybe this law really exists though; ask the boss to see it in writing from a legitimate gov't source. |
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yingwenlaoshi
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Location: ... location, location!
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 4:07 am Post subject: |
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| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| Everyone knows contracts aren't worth the paper they're written on here. So you want to take a Saturday off. Just insist on it. You'll eventually win, and that's all there is to it. If you bow down, expect to work a lot more Saturdays. |
That's a bit of horsesh1t. Contract says no Saturdays = NO SATURDAYS.
Contracts act as guides where YOU, the employee, decide where to let things slide.
I'd tell the boss to eat me.
OP,
What's this "required by law to be open so many days" BS? What the hell is that? And no overtime? What kind of a blockhead is your boss? I'd rip him a new hole in his body.
Why do you even need to ask? |
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cheeseface
Joined: 13 Jan 2008
Location: Ssyangnyeon Shi
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 4:28 am Post subject: |
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I've always stood by what my contract has said in the past, in all cases simply because that is what a contract is for.
If someone is sick I'll help out once or twice, more than 30 hours without overtime Hahahah. |
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yingwenlaoshi
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Location: ... location, location!
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 4:33 am Post subject: |
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| cheeseface wrote: |
I've always stood by what my contract has said in the past, in all cases simply because that is what a contract is for.
If someone is sick I'll help out once or twice, more than 30 hours without overtime Hahahah. |
Even if Mr. Bossy Dildohead can't provide all 30 teaching hours Mon to Fri, or if it's not withing the contracted schedule, it's too bad so sad. "Pay me OT!" Even if you've only got 11 hours teaching during the week, it's "Pay up in full, peanut head!" |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 4:36 am Post subject: |
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| Right. There's an old Navy saying: "Do it once and it's a favor; do it twice and it's your job." Well, the Korean version is obviously, "Do it once and it's your job." |
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yingwenlaoshi
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Location: ... location, location!
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 5:00 am Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
| Right. There's an old Navy saying: "Do it once and it's a favor; do it twice and it's your job." Well, the Korean version is obviously, "Do it once and it's your job." |
I'm more like do it once and if you p1ss me off I'm not doing it again and I won't do it again if I don't feel like it.
Yes. My boss looooooooooooooooooves me. |
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Kimchieluver
Joined: 02 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 5:14 am Post subject: |
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| yingwenlaoshi wrote: |
| CentralCali wrote: |
| Right. There's an old Navy saying: "Do it once and it's a favor; do it twice and it's your job." Well, the Korean version is obviously, "Do it once and it's your job." |
I'm more like do it once and if you p1ss me off I'm not doing it again and I won't do it again if I don't feel like it.
Yes. My boss looooooooooooooooooves me. |
About 4 years ago there was a heavy snowfall and the hagwon I was working at closed for the day. I was really happy as it was a Wednesday. Then Friday night they told me I had to come in to work Saturday. I said I really didn't want to, but I would anyways. Well due to lack of students, I worked maybe a full hour. Played Jenga with the few that did show up and was then taken out for a nice King Crab dinner. |
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IncognitoHFX
Joined: 06 May 2007
Location: Yeongtong, Suwon
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 5:18 am Post subject: Re: Working on Saturday? |
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| afsjesse wrote: |
I asked him if this is over time for me and he said no. I personally dont care if I work saturday, but I do care about being farsed. This sounds like a crock of sh#@ to me.... any of you been told the same thing? |
A friend of mine works in Pyeonchong and she has to work Sundays for three weeks in a row to compensate for the three days off. Also, she doesn't get paid extra for it. In fact, she loses money if she refuses to work the Sundays.
Me on the other hand, I'm off from this Saturday until the following Monday (nine days vacation). My coworker is going back to Canada and they can't run the school with one person.
Whoopee. This is why, even though my hagwon is flawed, it has the ability to completely redeem itself. |
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