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thepeel
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I see that there is a 12 point difference between Obama and Clinton in California and Edwards has 12 points himself..
Who will Gore support? |
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Rteacher
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Location: Western MA, USA
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:48 am Post subject: |
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| Would his supporters likely largely move in the direction that Edwards asks? Or would a sizable portion move towards Clinton? |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:57 am Post subject: |
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| thepeel wrote: |
I see that there is a 12 point difference between Obama and Clinton in California and Edwards has 12 points himself..
Who will Gore support? |
Sadly it is 17 points in CA. McCain is significantly out in front for the GOP as well.
LA Times article
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The L.A. Times/CNN/Politico poll, conducted by Opinion Research Corp., showed that McCain has vaulted ahead of three other candidates with whom he shared a statistical tie for the Republican nomination just two weeks ago. He carried 39% of likely Republican primary participants, to 26% for Mitt Romney, who also bolstered his standing among California voters. Rudolph W. Giuliani and Mike Huckabee were stalled at essentially the same level as two weeks ago -- 13% and 11%, respectively.
Clinton maintained a 49% to 32% lead over Illinois Sen. Barack Obama among Democrats, despite losing some support in key voter groups. Democratic women continued to power her effort, siding with the New York senator by nearly a 2-1 margin. |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:01 am Post subject: |
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Schwarznegger praises McCain and Obama
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| California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, weighing in on the presidential race, said that both Republican presidential candidate John McCain and Democrat Barack Obama are on the right track in "talking about bringing people together" across partisan lines. |
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Rteacher
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:14 am Post subject: |
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I'm no political pandit, but I would think that most of Edwards supporters prefer him over Hillary because they don't like (or trust) her that much.
Obama figures to get most of his votes - I'd guess 75% - if Edwards formally endorses him.
Margin of error: + 5% or - 25%
I think that Kennedy's endorsement should help Obama a lot in California with traditional liberal groups (but there are a lot of feminists ...) |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:44 am Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| The man is only 46. |
How old was JFK? Younger, I think? |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 2:40 am Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| The man is only 46. |
How old was JFK? Younger, I think? |
Subtract 29 May 1917 from 20 January 1961. But are you sure you want to mention JFK with our friend Regicide lurking about, waiting to proclaim for the millionth time that he knows what really happened on 22 November 1963...? |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 3:06 am Post subject: |
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| The Bobster wrote: |
| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| The man is only 46. |
How old was JFK? Younger, I think? |
I mentioned his age, not because he's too young, but to say that he can wait and still be viable. (Somewhere around 65 is my upper limit.) My concern about Obama is not his age, it's his experience.
The double endorsement of Caroline and Ted Kennedy was stunning. That was followed by Mr. Maria Shriver's 'endorsement' from across the aisle. The Kennedy clan has come out for Obama. Do they still have influence? I'll bet more than one woman my age has at least taken a look at her support of Senator Clinton. I think there is still Kennedy magic. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 3:10 am Post subject: |
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| BTW, JFK wasn't the youngest president. He was the youngest ELECTED president. Theodore Roosevelt was the youngest president. (He became president when McKinley was killed--for those who don't keep up on presidential trivia.) |
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stillnotking
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Location: Oregon, USA
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 8:30 am Post subject: |
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| Rteacher wrote: |
| Obama figures to get most of [Edwards'] votes - I'd guess 75% - if Edwards formally endorses him. |
It may be even more significant than that. If Edwards doesn't drop out before the convention -- and he says he won't -- he may have a large enough bloc of delegates to swing the nomination. In which case he'd probably go with whoever offered him the VP slot.
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| I think that Kennedy's endorsement should help Obama a lot in California with traditional liberal groups (but there are a lot of feminists ...) |
The feminists aren't too happy about Kennedy's endorsement:
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| And now the greatest betrayal! We are repaid with his abandonment! He�s picked the new guy over us. He�s joined the list of progressive white men who can�t or won�t handle the prospect of a woman president who is Hillary Clinton (they will of course say they support a woman president, just not �this� one). �They� are Howard Dean and Jim Dean (Yup! That�s Howard�s brother) who run DFA (that�s the group and list from the Dean campaign that we women helped start and grow). They are Alternet, Progressive Democrats of America, democrats.com, Kucinich lovers and all the other groups that take women's money, say they�ll do feminist and women�s rights issues one of these days, and conveniently forget to mention women and children when they talk about poverty or human needs or America�s future or whatever. |
Yikes. Of course, it's not like NOW's membership is going to stay home if Obama is the nominee, so I'll treat this as just typical political spleen-venting. |
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greedy_bones
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Location: not quite sure anymore
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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sigh...
If only more than 0.5% of people liked Gravel. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 7:28 am Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| The Bobster wrote: |
| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| The man is only 46. |
How old was JFK? Younger, I think? |
Subtract 29 May 1917 from 20 January 1961. But are you sure you want to mention JFK with our friend Regicide lurking about, waiting to proclaim for the millionth time that he knows what really happened on 22 November 1963...? |
Wow, Gopher knows the exact date of birth.
Anyway, The Bobster, if you liked JFK, you may love Obama. I didn't like JFK, but I will say this: at least Obama isn't backed by the mob. |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 7:57 am Post subject: |
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| stillnotking wrote: |
| Rteacher wrote: |
| Obama figures to get most of [Edwards'] votes - I'd guess 75% - if Edwards formally endorses him. |
It may be even more significant than that. If Edwards doesn't drop out before the convention -- and he says he won't -- he may have a large enough bloc of delegates to swing the nomination. In which case he'd probably go with whoever offered him the VP slot. |
Well, looks like Edwards JUST dropped out. |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Anyway, The Bobster, if you liked JFK, you may love Obama. I didn't like JFK, but I will say this: at least Obama isn't backed by the mob. |
I figure dead people in Chicago have as much a right to a voice in current affairs as anyone else, don't you? |
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