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billybrobby



Joined: 09 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nicholas_chiasson wrote:
-I think food is a subjective taste, with beer far more objective. As one poster has mentioned real beer has different, higher quality ingredients than bad beer. I've eaten Korean food in the states and liked it. I've eaten korean food and thrown it up. I prefer Mexican or Italian yes, but I'm not going to say Italian food is better quality.
-In comparison does anyone think Korean beer is good? No. Does K-beer get exported to the US? No. Not as far as I know. Does Chinese Beer get exported? Yes. Tsing Tao is available in Delaware. Does Italian Beer get exported? Yes. Does Jamacan Beer get exported? Yes. Does Japanese Beer get exported? Yes. NOTICE A TREND WITH KOREAN BEER YET? Therefore to argue that K-beer is an 'acceptable product when ANYTHING else is available is a bizzare lapse of logic.


Yeah, my whole point is that it's largely subjective. But I don't see why beer is any more objective than food. Sure, there are objective factors like cost of ingredients and export markets, but the same applies to food.

Korean beer doesn't get exported because they make rather standard beers at a high cost. They wouldn't export Kias either if they cost a lot. But taste-wise, I personally think Korean beers are fine, and it seems unecessary to harangue me for being a crazy man who suffers from bizarre lapses of logic.

And to answer the question, if all the world's food was available to me, I'd still definitely eat Korean food a few times a month. And if all the world's beers were available, I'd drink Cass as soon as anything else. There's probably some fantastic beer that I've never had. But of all the beers I've had, most of the expensive ones have an obnoxious, cloying flavor to them. To me, beer should be light and crisp so that you can drink gallons of it. But that's just me.
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reactionary



Joined: 22 Oct 2006
Location: korreia

PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had Korean beer in America (at a Korean restaurant). OB.

Hasn't hit any 7-11 shelves though.
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maddog



Joined: 08 Dec 2005
Location: Daegu

PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only thing that could ever sway me in favorof K beer is the cost. For example, a pitcher of Cass Red is only 3500 from the dept store and the hangovers ain't to bad. I use it to stoke the fire before going downtown. If on the other hand i get sick of it, Buds are just 990W each.

I try to avoid draught beer over here. It doesn't matter whether it's Korean or otherwise - dirty pipes are dirty pipes. That may account (partly) for the relatively bacterial infection rates over here. It would probably explain why my guts are in ruins for days after drinking draught beer.

My hangovers are definately worse here than anywhere else, including Cambodia, Laos and Vietnam. Even Chang (infamous for changovers in Thailand) is forgiving compare to K beer.

MD
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brento1138



Joined: 17 Nov 2004

PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Damn I miss the beer in Vietnam. In particular, the Huda and the Halida. Now that is fine beer. The thing that gets me is when Koreans claim their beer is the best... or can be compared to other beers. I then explain that there is no place outside of Korea I've ever been to that carries Korean beer, and this is for a reason...

In the annals of history, early foreign visitors often brought good beer to Asian countries. Just look at Vietnam (French), or Japan (the Dutch & Germany), Thai beer (Germany), Singapore (Dutch).. the list goes on. Now it is up to you and me! We are those early foreign visitors... and hopefully, someday, some of us will help make Korea into a better, more beer-friendly, place.

Anyone here with a university degree in brewing? hehe.
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nicholas_chiasson



Joined: 14 Jun 2007
Location: Samcheok

PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As long as micr-brews can't bottle, Korean beer will resist the evil efforts of western dogs to purge it of rice, extract of tire, and aloe vera gel.
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Alan Partidge



Joined: 29 Nov 2005

PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where are the best deals for imported beer? Costco? Does anyone buy in bulk from the supermarkets like E-Mart etc?
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Mebertz



Joined: 16 Dec 2007
Location: Suncheon

PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey,

I've got some money saved. If I married a Korean woman, we could open up a small brewing company/brewpub and sell growlers of beer.

I can brew on a pretty big scale once I get an 100 gallon kettle. It won't happen though. No Korean woman for me, I'm afraid. Now if we were in Pohnpei, maybe.

Mike
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eamo



Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.

PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alan Partidge wrote:
Where are the best deals for imported beer? Costco? Does anyone buy in bulk from the supermarkets like E-Mart etc?


I'm starting to buy the box of 12 European beers every time I go to Costco. 3 Stella, 3 Leffe Braun, 3 Hoegaarden, 3 Becks Dark. 25,000. Reasonable for Korea.

For the record, Korean beer might be the worst in the world. If you drink draught Cass/Hite/OB really fast before it goes flat (takes less than 5 minutes) it can be bearable. When the carbonation goes away you can taste it for what it really is. Piss.
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Mebertz



Joined: 16 Dec 2007
Location: Suncheon

PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd buy that if they mixed and matched. The only one I like is the Braun, sort of. Beck's dark if I was extremely parched. Unfortunately, going to Costco is an all day affair where I live and requires a bus, a subway, and a taxi. My closest EMart has Duvel which might be the best golden ale in the world, but it's 3500 a bottle. I only buy 2 at a time.

Mike
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weatherman



Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

reactionary wrote:
I've had Korean beer in America (at a Korean restaurant). OB.

Hasn't hit any 7-11 shelves though.


I have seen hite in Hong Kong, at a 7-11. I stood dumb for a few good seconds.
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regicide



Joined: 01 Sep 2006
Location: United States

PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 12:50 am    Post subject: Re: beer and bad beer Reply with quote

nicholas_chiasson wrote:
I just had my last bottle of tsingdao, and it was so good, and crisp, and delicious. Now I drank the last can of cass and it tastes flat and horrible. I wish I lived closer than 90 minutes round trip to a store with import beer. I know we have all said it, but why is korean beer so, uninspired?


When I lived in China; and when I frequently traveled to Hong Kong I began to drink a lot of Tsingdao. It is one of my favorites. In Taiwan, I usually drank Japanese beer. The local stuff was horrible.

After drinking local beer here for years, I finally switched to Budweiser. The taste is good and at W1200 for the bottle, its not overpriced.

The headaches are rarely there anymore. ( unless I drank a boatload, or were smoking cigarettes). But just 4 or 5 , no headache or bad feeling whatsoever, and not much dehydration.
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Mebertz



Joined: 16 Dec 2007
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If one prefers lagers, Tsingtao isn't too bad. It is nearly identical to Paulaner and Hacker Pschorr from Germany. That is because the Germans created the brewery when they were in control of that region. It really is a German beer. I will drink it in a pinch, but Samuel Smith's is my standby when I can't get to a brewpub, or Belgians are scarce. I really don't drink anymore since I've come here, except for 1 or 2 beers a month because I have to ration good beer when I can find it.

Now I am depressed.

Mike
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regicide



Joined: 01 Sep 2006
Location: United States

PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 6:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mebertz wrote:
If one prefers lagers, Tsingtao isn't too bad. It is nearly identical to Paulaner and Hacker Pschorr from Germany. That is because the Germans created the brewery when they were in control of that region. It really is a German beer. I will drink it in a pinch, but Samuel Smith's is my standby when I can't get to a brewpub, or Belgians are scarce. I really don't drink anymore since I've come here, except for 1 or 2 beers a month because I have to ration good beer when I can find it.

Now I am depressed.

Mike


Sorry to depress you Mike. Sounds like you know your beers. When I was in China , microbrewerys were becoming a big thing.

Pretty sad when the best thing you can get is a locally brewed Bud.
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