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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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 Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 3:15 am Post subject: Bali bombers on death row show no remorse about killings |
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Asia-Pacific News
INTERVIEW: Bali bombers on death row show no remorse about killings
Jan 9, 2008, 5:03 GMT
Nusakambangan, Indonesia - As the clock ticks for three Muslim militants awaiting execution for the 2002 bombings on Bali island, they insisted in an exclusive interview with Deutsche Presse- Agentur dpa that they had no regrets.
The condemned men - Ali Ghufron, alias Mukhlas, Imam Samudra and Amrozi - have been sitting on death row for four years and are being held under heavy security at Batu prison, an Alcatraz-style facility on Nusakambangan island off the south coast of central Java.
They were sentenced to death in 2003 for bombing two nightclubs on the resort island of Bali in October 2002, killing 202 people, mostly Australian and European tourists. The attacks were allegedly ordered by Jemaah Islamiyah (JI), a regional terrorist network responsible for several bombings across Indonesia in recent years.
'I want young Muslims around the world to remember my good deeds,' Ali Ghufron told dpa, surrounded by bulletproof glass in the prison's visitors hall, where the men were allowed a three-hour visit by dozens of family members and friends from East and West Java.
Ghufron also urged other Muslims to continue the group's violence against 'infidels' - a call unlikely to find much public appeal in Indonesia where the bombers have found little sympathy outside their small fundamentalist movement that dates back to the early 1920s.
Indonesia may be the world's largest Muslim-majority nation with 190 million faithful, but all but a few thousand practise a mainstream version and are generally repulsed by terrorism and suicide bombings.
The three convicts, wearing traditional Muslim robes and skull caps, appeared to be happy and healthy as they entered the visitors' hall on Monday.
Amrozi - the younger brother of Ghufron - has grown a wispy beard since their trial during which he was dubbed the 'smiling assassin' by the media for grinning incessantly. During this week's visiting hour at Batu prison, he again put on the biggest smile.
Among the visitors were the militants' wives and children, including Imam Samudra's mother Ummi Mbay Badriyah, 65, who praised and embraced her son. 'He is a great kid, always a devoted Muslim,' she told dpa while adjusting her head scarf.
The families' visit may well be their last before the three militants face the firing squad. The men rejected the official notifications of their death verdicts on January 2.
The Indonesian attorney-general's office allows a thirty-day period to seek presidential clemency, but the three have repeatedly said they would not appeal to President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono.
'The president is human too, and my only help should come from God,' Amrozi said. Likewise, the president indicated in a recent television interview that he would not grant such a move.
During their visit, the militants' families used their limited time to show their affection. Amrozi was enthusiastically kissing and hugging his daughter, while Imam Samudra gave a fiery sermon with his youngest son sitting on his lap. Ali Ghufron was also embracing his visiting friends and relatives.
'My only hope is that my children will become devoted Muslims and brave warriors,' Ali Ghufron, a father of six, told dpa.
None of the bombers showed remorse over the attacks. Their only regret was that many Muslims also died in the blasts, they said.
When asking whether the three were afraid to die themselves, this correspondent was booed and shouted down by the visiting families.
'I am telling you, when they put us on death row, it sounds very beautiful to us! We are not afraid to die, and this angered the infidels. The angrier they are, the more rewards we get,' Ali Ghufron said.
'They always asked us, why aren't we afraid to die? I'm telling you, death will come to us all eventually, but our death is different, as we will die as martyrs, we will be welcomed by our virgins in heaven,' he said.
This time, the families and friends replied with calls of 'Allahu Akbar' (God is great), while raising their fists.
According to Jakarta-based Sydney Jones, an expert on terrorism from the Brussels-based International Crisis Group, the death sentences are unlikely to be commuted or delayed.
'I believe they will be executed. Quite likely in February,' she said. 'I think they are worried about how their struggle will be carried out in the future.'
Neither the date nor place of executions is announced in advance in Indonesia.
The Bali bombing shook the Indonesian government out of its denial that it had a home-grown terrorist problem with militants inspired by Osama bin Laden, the elusive leader of the al-Qaeda terrorist movement.
Within weeks after the Bali bombings - at the time the worst since the September 11 attacks in the US - Indonesia's parliament passed tough anti-terrorism legislation that was later used to convict the bombers.
JI is blamed for several simultaneous church bombings across Indonesia on Christmas Eve 2000; bombings on Bali in 2002 and 2005; the JW Marriott bombing in Jakarta in 2004 and an explosion at the entrance to the Australian Embassy in 2005.
Although the attacks shocked and angered mainstream Indonesian Muslims, the visiting friends and families at Batu prison Monday expressed adoration for the terrorists in their midst.
'You should know that all Muslims want to die as a martyr, that is the highest achievement,' said Zacky Roby Cahyadi, a member of the Indonesian Muslims Youth Movement (GPI), a radical group based in Jakarta.
'Young Indonesians should idolize them instead of Western heroes like Superman or Batman,' he added.
Meanwhile, the condemned militants insisted that they should be executed in the 'Islamic' style of beheading rather than by firing squad - an execution they said they considered 'Western'.
'I am ready for death, but not using the evil law (of the Indonesian government),' Ali Ghufron said. 'They should behead me because that is God's law, and God willing, I will die as a martyr,' he added.
He said he believed the establishment of a great Islamic caliphate was very near, taking the place of Indonesia whose democracy was adapted from the West and therefore 'evil'.
Meanwhile, Amrozi said he admired Osama bin Laden for fighting the West and confronting US President George W Bush. He had been writing down his thoughts while in jail and wants to have them compiled into a book, he explained.
'My cell is always beautiful, it has never been boring to me,' Amrozi told
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:38 am Post subject: |
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And you feel remorse over this, right?
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"We Think the Price Is Worth It"
Media uncurious about Iraq policy's effects- there or here
By Rahul Mahajan
Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price--we think the price is worth it.
--60 Minutes (5/12/96) |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:38 am Post subject: |
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Saddam caused the deaths.
Everything was available in Iraq.
Last edited by Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee on Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:39 am; edited 1 time in total |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:39 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| Saddam caused the deaths |
These ones too?
Iraq Conflict Has Killed A Million Iraqis: Survey
Wed Jan 30, 1:55 PM ET
LONDON (Reuters) - More than one million Iraqis have died as a result of the conflict in their country since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003, according to research conducted by one of Britain's leading polling groups.
MORE ...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080130/wl_nm/iraq_deaths_survey_dc
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:40 am Post subject: |
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| igotthisguitar wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| Saddam caused the deaths |
These ones too?
Iraq Conflict Has Killed A Million Iraqis: Survey[/size]
Wed Jan 30, 1:55 PM ET
LONDON (Reuters) - More than one million Iraqis have died as a result of the conflict in their country since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003, according to research conducted by one of Britain's leading polling groups.
MORE ...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080130/wl_nm/iraq_deaths_survey_dc
;_ylt=AgZN2bMbAHBGWwoCvdCXP7EDW7oF |
You are charging the US for anyone the insurgents killed.
And that survey will go the way the last inflated survey. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:43 am Post subject: |
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You support mass murder.
Their blood is upon you ...
(but you kinda like that sick idea, don't you?) |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:45 am Post subject: |
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| igotthisguitar wrote: |
You support mass murder.
Their blood is upon you ...
(but you kinda like that sick idea, don't you?) |
You support any mass murderer who is against the US.
You Nazi F**K |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:48 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| igotthisguitar wrote: |
You support mass murder.
Their blood is upon you ...
(but you kinda like that sick idea, don't you?) |
You support any mass murderer who is against the US.
You Nazi F**K |
i hope you manage to get the professional help you need ... sooner the better.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychosis |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:59 am Post subject: |
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(to igothisuitar) Re: "hate & delusion": I do not and will not discuss your ideology. I question your choice of venue, however, and its implications regards your sanity.
Did you ever see the film A Beautiful Mind...? You seem to be living that life without the brilliance. |
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seoul_nhl
Joined: 18 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 5:18 am Post subject: |
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| SOOOOOO WHAT BOO HOO! |
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stillnotking
Joined: 18 Dec 2007
Location: Oregon, USA
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| Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 5:42 am Post subject: |
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How about a little less trading of personal insults and "You're a mass murderer!" "No, you are!"
Supporting the Iraq war doesn't make someone a murderer, it just makes them wrong. A lot of people thought they had good reasons to support the invasion in 2002. Very few of their leaders made any effort to convince them otherwise, that's for sure.
Those who continue to believe it was justified are also simply wrong, though in a more... shall we say... personally telling way. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 5:49 am Post subject: |
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After 9-11 their was a belief that suicide bombing could even up the score between the west and the mideast. That was not acceptable.
Also Saddam could not be contained in the over the long run (what are the consequences of Saddam going free, futhermore Saddam never gave up his war.
How can the removal of Saddam Hussein who was a greater killer and far more dangerous than Idi Amin be illegitimate? |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 10:34 am Post subject: |
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He said he believed the establishment of a great Islamic caliphate was very near, taking the place of Indonesia whose democracy was adapted from the West and therefore 'evil'.
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Why did you highlight this quote? It's quite obviously bo-locks. I mean, why would you trust/listen to the word of a bomber like that? He's, quite obviously dellusional and from the sounds of it, VERY much in the minority in Indonesia.
I do not understand what you choose to stress out over. |
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stillnotking
Joined: 18 Dec 2007
Location: Oregon, USA
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| Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 11:30 am Post subject: |
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| After 9-11 their was a belief that suicide bombing could even up the score between the west and the mideast. That was not acceptable. |
No idea what you're talking about here. The sympathies of most people in the Middle East, and specifically most Iraqis, were with America after 9/11. Certainly the Iraqis weren't strapping bombs to themselves and blowing up embassies. Perhaps you can enlighten me as to what lesson, exactly, an invasion of Iraq was supposed to teach (besides "Hey, look at us, we're f***ing idiots who don't know who our enemies are!")?
Of course I suppose it's part of the conservative tradition to demonize people in blocs, the way the French were demonized when they opposed us on Iraq. How quickly conservative America forgot the "We Are All Americans" headlines and tremendous outpouring of support by the French people in the wake of 9/11. I recall that most Fox News viewers, when polled, did not understand even such an elementary distinction as Sunni/Shia, and the rumor is that even George W. had to have it explained to him. Given such ignorance, the "kill the ragheads" meme was perhaps inevitable.
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| Also Saddam could not be contained in the over the long run (what are the consequences of Saddam going free, futhermore Saddam never gave up his war. |
What do you think Saddam was going to do, exactly? Re-invade Kuwait? What makes you think the outcome would have been any different?
Besides, the Iraq war's aftermath gives the lie to your claims. Saddam was not plotting an invasion of anyone. He certainly was no threat to the United States, nor would he have been for the foreseeable future.
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| How can the removal of Saddam Hussein who was a greater killer and far more dangerous than Idi Amin be illegitimate? |
It wasn't. Getting rid of Saddam was, considered in a vacuum, a good deed. Since history does not take place in a vacuum, though, this concession means very little. |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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The Death Penalty should be applied only to perpetrators of acts of mass destruction designed to induce terror or those convicted of high treason.
As a corrollary, all those who the state would seek to put to death should get a fair day in court. |
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