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inukshuk
Joined: 27 Jan 2008
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 Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 2:17 am Post subject: HILLARY: I'M INDEPENDENT & I NEED BILL 2 WIN |
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For me, it has become anyone but Hillary. She is a total fraud. She pulls out big bill everytime she can AND casts herself as an independent woman candidate. Bottom line - she is showing strong signs that she's cracking so Bill is getting more limelight to help.
Anyone but Hillary. |
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saw6436
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 3:55 am Post subject: |
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| Hillary is a *beep*. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 4:24 am Post subject: |
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| ahhhh...not able to handle a strong woman. I see. Perhaps you'd best return to the 19th Century. |
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inukshuk
Joined: 27 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 5:22 am Post subject: read |
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| can you read?? Strong woman is fine. Strong woman who is using her husband to get her elected... loser. Anyone but Hillary |
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postfundie
Joined: 28 May 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 5:31 am Post subject: |
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| although she makes me sick at times...would you expect her to do anything else....most everybody in life wants to have their cake and eat it too |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 5:34 am Post subject: |
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The thing that is so sad about the American political system is that Hillary has to act like she is for the war, in order to look like she can be a commander in chief, in order that she can get elected. She, like Bill, is as calculating as they come. She is also high-minded, and is clearly the best candidate to get a democratic-agenda moving quickly once she's elected.
She realizes it's a sick game, the U.S. political system, and to be a player, you can't be idealistic. Look at Kucinich, look at Paul.
I agree with Bill that Obama is a "fairy tale". The republicans will eat him alive, and will stymie him the way the Clinton's got done in with health care reform their first go-round.
Hill is by far the best available candidate for change. Obama doesn't have the bones yet. He's like a hot-hitting AA ball player, while Hill is an All-Star Major Leaguer. You know the AA player has more potential, but if you bring him up, there's a good chance he will flare out, and need to get sent back to minors.
Seriously, I don't know what the hell Kennedy is smoking, but I want some. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 6:41 am Post subject: Re: read |
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| inukshuk wrote: |
| can you read?? Strong woman is fine. Strong woman who is using her husband to get her elected... loser. Anyone but Hillary |
You're right, this is SO distinguishable from exploiting Oprah or Chuck Norris.
Oh, wait, Bill was President AND he's her husband.
*waits for inukshuk to get mad at Obama for having Michelle campaign* |
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inukshuk
Joined: 27 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 7:43 am Post subject: unbelievable |
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man, the cure for cancer is not coming from dave's esl members.
Obama used Oprah for a day! Do you see her stumping for him?? No, she held a fundraiser, that's it.
Hillary is a two person candidate. She never relied on him until she started cracking. Now that she's cracked, he's all over the place.
Independent woman? Not even running her campaign independently from Big Bill. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 7:48 am Post subject: Re: unbelievable |
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| inukshuk wrote: |
Independent woman? Not even running her campaign independently from Big Bill. |
So you're asking a candidate to not use his/her spouse in a campaign?
Oh, and that person just happens to be the only female in the race.
You are really opening the door to credible accusations of mysogynism here. I'm grateful. You're making the other Hillary-haters look bad. I expect the more sensible of them will come in here and ask you to STFU in due time. |
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inukshuk
Joined: 27 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 7:35 pm Post subject: spouse |
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Nobody else is using their spouse. Nobody else is running as a strong, independent person while using their famous spouse to stump.
In the beginning of the campaign, bill said he would stay out of it. Everything change once the cracks started showing in Hillary's mind. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Nobody else is using their spouse. |
Take off your Hate-Hillary glasses long enough to see what's going on and has been going on for just about ever. Candidates' spouses have been active for eons. Mrs. Clinton just happens to be married to probably the greatest politician of his generation. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 6:02 pm Post subject: Re: spouse |
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| inukshuk wrote: |
In the beginning of the campaign, bill said he would stay out of it. Everything change once the cracks started showing in Hillary's mind. |
This overall premise is so absurd that I have to top the thread.
But, for the assertion that you make above, do you have a link? |
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Matt_22
Joined: 22 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 2:06 am Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| ahhhh...not able to handle a strong woman. I see. Perhaps you'd best return to the 19th Century. |
many of that don't like hillary are able to handle strong women. hell, i've grown up with strong women. i've worked under strong women i have great respect for. but there's a difference between being a strong woman and being a cankled karl rove. hillary's not a tough female leader like golda meir or margaret thatcher. she's partisan hack that wraps herself in her husband's success.
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I agree with Bill that Obama is a "fairy tale". The republicans will eat him alive, and will stymie him the way the Clinton's got done in with health care reform their first go-round. |
obama's chances in a general election are exponentially better than hillary's. half of america already hates her, and she's also managed to piss off a large chunk of democrats during the course of her primary campaign. put her up against mccain and she'll lose all the independents and a large amount of moderate democrats. and just compare the trends of what has happened with her and obama throughout the primaries. the more people see obama - the longer the process between the two draws out - the more people vote for him instead of hillary. if the primaries were dragged out over the course of the next year, obama would win the nomination in a landslide. he's just so much more appealing and charismatic than her that it wouldn't even be fair.
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Matt_22
Joined: 22 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 2:21 am Post subject: |
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| blaseblasphemener wrote: |
| The thing that is so sad about the American political system is that Hillary has to act like she is for the war, in order to look like she can be a commander in chief, in order that she can get elected. |
it's also sad that she has allowed herself to sell out like that in order to get the nomination. if she realizes this, does she not also realize that hundreds of american and iraqi lives hang in the balance? how do you even look yourself in the mirror after doing something like that?
| blaseblasphemener wrote: |
| The republicans will eat him alive, and will stymie him the way the Clinton's got done in with health care reform their first go-round. |
so you don't want to vote for a guy that's succeeded in most everything that he's done, but you do want a woman who's failed miserably in that which you mention? as president bush would say, "fool me once, shame on... shame on you... fool me twice... if you fool me, you can't get fooled again!"
| blaseblasphemener wrote: |
| Hill is by far the best available candidate for change. Obama doesn't have the bones yet. He's like a hot-hitting AA ball player, while Hill is an All-Star Major Leaguer. You know the AA player has more potential, but if you bring him up, there's a good chance he will flare out, and need to get sent back to minors. |
i disagree entirely with that analogy. i think hillary is like kobe, and obama is like lebron. yeah, you can win a few games and rack up some interesting stat lines with kobe, but lebron is the future, his team wins a lot more, and he brings out the best in his teammates. everyone's happier, everyone prospers more, and everyone's more optimistic about their future. the decision is really a no-brainer. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 4:48 am Post subject: |
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| and being a cankled karl rove. |
Please say that in English.
Any politician is controversial. Your resorting to comparing Mrs. Clinton to other women politicians indicates to me that you do not accept her as a legitimate politician: she's just 'a woman-politician'.
Shame on you. Please try to join the 21st Century.
I am APPALLED at the number of posters who say they can support Obama and if not him...Paul or McCain.
This very clearly means you are light-weights. Policies are not important to you. Only the presence or absence of boobs or 'family jewels'. Nothing about where you want the country go. You should be ashamed to post.
You act as if you are voting for class president in 8th Grade. If we don't have an all-school dance in the gym this month, then we should have a Sadie Hawkins Dance next month.
PEOPLE, we are electing a person to direct the country. Please try to pay attention. (Perhaps you should turn off the TV.)
It's POLICY that makes the difference.
(I do apologize to those people who think that the size of a person's 'bosoms' is significant in the future of the world. I can't help it. I think you are a raving idiots.) |
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