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Milwaukiedave



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 8:44 pm    Post subject: Rove puts a spin on the direction of the Republican Party Reply with quote

Crackup? Not So Fast.
Calm down. The GOP's demise isn't as imminent as some would have it.

By Karl Rove
NEWSWEEK
Updated: 1:30 PM ET Feb 2, 2008
"We are at the end of the Reagan era." Or, at least, that is the claim of voices as diverse as Newt Gingrich and Ed Rollins on the right and Sen. Chuck Schumer and pollster Stanley Greenberg on the left. It is true the Republican Party is having difficulty retooling its message for the 21st century. But so is the Democratic Party.

Every presidential election is about change, and no more so than at the end of a two-term president's time in the White House. Parties have to constantly update themselves if they hope to remain relevant. The difficulty for both Republicans and Democrats is that our political system is at a point where more than the normal amount of party growth and development is needed. Both parties are suffering the consequences of seeing substantial parts of their 20th-century agendas adopted; both parties are struggling to fashion new answers to the new challenges of a young century.

But that's not to say that the Reagan legacy is exhausted. Ronald Reagan's legacy was not simply that he was "a campaigner and orator of uncommon skill," as Don Campbell argued last week in USA Today. President Reagan's gifts to the Republican Party were ideas: growing the economy through tax cuts, limiting government's size, forcefully confronting totalitarian threats, making human rights a centerpiece of America's foreign policy, respecting unborn human life, empowering the individual with more freedom. Those ideas endure. They give Republicans a philosophical foundation on which to build. The Reagan coalition has a natural desire to stick together. Fiscal, defense and values conservatives have more in common with each other than with any major element of the Democratic Party's leadership.

Democrats have a similar philosophical storehouse in the ideas of FDR and LBJ. Both expanded the size and scope of the federal government and saw it in almost an entirely positive light: as an agent of economic redistribution from the rich to the less affluent, as a provider to the poor and the disabled and as an enforcer of equal rights and equal justice. The Democratic Party has two challenges. One is that the modern economy has led voters to prefer markets, decentralization and consumer choice far more than centralized control by government and the substitution of "expert" decisions for those of the individual. The other challenge is that many in that party mistake the "Third Way" tactics of the Clinton years for a substantive approach to governing. Triangulation�making yourself look good at the expense of allies and adversaries in both parties�is lousy for providing coherent answers to modern issues.

Why then the media's recent fascination with the supposed demise of the Republican Party? What are the reasons given for why, at least when it comes to the Republicans, "the party's over," as NEWSWEEK recently pronounced? First, we are told the GOP nomination has not been won "fairly quickly," as in recent contests. This is a horrible misremembering of history. The senior Bush took 45 days after the first contest to secure the nomination in 1988. It took Bob Dole 35 days to become the presumptive nominee in 1996. The current president took 45 days to clear the field in 2000. The first contest this year was on Jan. 3. Let's at least give the process until the middle or end of February before pundits start predicting doom because of how long it's taking. And if the Republican nomination not being settled is evidence of disaster, what does the Democratic nomination being up for grabs say? It's normal for both parties' nominees to be undecided at this point. The season is not moving too slowly. If anything, it is moving too quickly this time, with 38 contests in the first 33 days.

Second, we are told recently by Susan Page, also in USA Today, that "never before in modern times has there been such a muddle," and then by Jon Meacham in this magazine that the "chaotic nature of the Republican primary race" means "the party of Reagan is now divided in ways it has not been in more than a generation." Many who witnessed the primary battles of 2000, 1996, 1992 or 1988 might disagree. By their nature, primary races are chaotic. Then a nominee emerges, and the chaos recedes (most of the time). If spirited competition on the Republican side is evidence of a crackup, then what about the Democratic battle? It is focused more and more on race and gender, and Hillary Clinton has the highest negatives of any candidate at this point in an open race for the presidency. The Democratic House and Senate have plummeted to the poorest congressional approval ratings in history.

Third, we are told Democrats have raised more money. You will search in vain for a similar declaration of last rites for the Democrats in 2000 when Republicans outraised them. And having more money doesn't decide the contest. Consider 2004, when Democratic presidential candidates, committees and 527s outspent their Republican counterparts by $124 million�and lost. Besides, the RNC has nearly eight times the cash on hand as the DNC. Just a month has passed since voting began, and nine months remain before November. Let's see what happens to Republican bank accounts as the year goes on.

Maybe we are not seeing the crackup of the GOP. Rather, America is more likely to be at the start of an intense and exciting election. The contest will be hard fought, the actions of the candidates each day hugely significant. It's far too early to draw sweeping conclusions about the health of either party; the presidential race, after all, has barely begun. Lots of surprises lie ahead.

URL: http://www.newsweek.com/id/107568
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rove is a smart man. Evil men can be smart--not all criminals are stupid, like they tend to be in Elmore Leonard's books. Some of what Rove says is correct.

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Every presidential election is about change,


This is largely true. Some are about the continuation of a successful president's policies with the only change being a new person at the helm, but I will give Rove credit for this one. Besides, I don't remember an election in which at least one candidate didn't use the word 'change' as a theme.

However, Mr. Rove starts spinning his wheels when he gets to his third paragraph. It's all well and good to present your party's philosophy in the best possible light, but I think many people see right through it. Massive deficits in the 20 years of the Reagan/Bush/Bush dynasty; national debt going from $1 trillion to $9 trillion; immense growth in size of government; government intervention in private moral decisions...I'm not sure where he gets off claiming Jimmy Carter's human rights stance as Reagan's, but oh well...

He at no point acknowledges the fact that the Republicans have become the pro-war party by turning 20th Century Republicanism on its head. This is out of contact with the general public sentiment. Americans don't like war, regardless of what the anti-Americans say.

The crisis in the Republican Party is very real. The evangelicals have driven many from the Party. But even they are disenchanted with the lack of success of their agenda in spite of their party's control of government for 4 decades (they've been in power for most of the time since '6Cool.

I'm confident that history will mark the current Republican era as one of the nadirs of American history when a party's naked lust for power led them to do enormous damage to their own country. (And no, Gopher, I'm not 'hostile' to the Republicans. That word doesn't do my attitude justice.)
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 10:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Rove puts a spin on the direction of the Republican Part Reply with quote

Milwaukiedave wrote:
Crackup? Not So Fast.
Calm down. The GOP's demise isn't as imminent as some would have it.


Karl Rove = Bush's TURD BLOSSOM !!! Shocked

McCain Tries To Assuage Conservatives
By LIZ SIDOTI, Associated Press Writer
Sat Feb 2, 4:33 PM ET

NASHVILLE, Tenn. - Republican John McCain is trying to ease long-standing distrust among the party's powerful conservatives. It will be a slow process.

"I believe that the majority of Republican Party conservatives are convinced that I'm best equipped to lead this country, unify our party and take on the challenge of radical Islamic extremism," McCain told reporters Saturday.

As Super Tuesday looms � and the possibility that McCain could all but wrap up the nomination � the chattering conservative class is in an uproar. Talk show host Rush Limbaugh has warned that McCain as standard-bearer would destroy the Republican Party. Author and pundit Ann Coulter, in jaw-dropping heresy, said she would campaign for Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton if McCain wins the party nod. Commentators Laura Ingraham, Sean Hannity and Mark Levin have come out in support of McCain's rival, Mitt Romney.

Surrogates for the former Massachuttsetts governor have claimed that McCain is outside the GOP mainstream.

"If you are a Republican in the broadest sense, there is only one place to go right now, and that's Mitt Romney," said former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum.

In four terms in the Senate, McCain has built a solid conservative record on scores of issues. He consistently opposed abortion and favored gun rights. He has challenged runaway federal spending and lawmakers' pet projects. He is a defense hawk and has been one of the strongest backers of the Iraq war.

But McCain has bucked the party over the years on high-profile issues and, in doing so, made his share of enemies on the right.

He co-authored campaign-finance reforms that critics say limit free speech, made combatting global warming a priority and supported an eventual path to citizenship for millions of illegal immigrants. He twice voted against President Bush's tax cuts, favored relaxing restrictions on federal financing of embryonic stem cell research and objected to a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage although he opposes same-sex unions.

To assuage conservatives, McCain has rolled out endorsements from leading conservatives and aired a new television ad that mentions Ronald Reagan. He plans to attend a major gathering of conservatives later this month.

McCain also is appealing to the pragmatic side of conservatives, stressing the need for a unified party in what is certain to be a fierce fight for the White House.

In recent days, McCain has won the backing of Texas Gov. Rick Perry, businessman and former candidate Steve Forbes, one-time Solicitor General Ted Olson and former Oklahoma Sen. Don Nickles.

He also launched a new television ad that emphasizes his links to Ronald Reagan and labels him "the true conservative" who is "ready to be commander in chief on Day One" � an implicit contrast with Romney, who McCain has criticized for changing positions on a number of issues and for lacking strong foreign policy credentials.

"As a prisoner of war, John McCain was inspired by Ronald Reagan," the ad says. "Guided by strong conservative principles, he'll cut wasteful spending and keep taxes low. A proud social conservative who will never waver."

In the short-term, McCain is helped by Mike Huckabee, the former Arkansas governor and Southern Baptist preacher who remains in the race and could split the conservative vote with Romney in the Bible Belt and elsewhere. Seeking to capitalize, McCain visited Tennessee, Alabama and Georgia on Saturday.

In the long-term, "it is critical for him to build a strong and stable bridge to the constituency that every cycle rings the phones, knocks on the doors and gets the vote out," said Greg Mueller, a conservative Republican strategist. "Endorsements alone will not be enough. Many conservatives will look to see what issues he emphasizes on the campaign trail from now until Election Day."

McCain aides are mindful of that, and he's started to make a "big tent" argument.

MORE ...

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ontheway



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
Rove is a smart man. Evil men can be smart--not all criminals are stupid, like they tend to be in Elmore Leonard's books. Some of what Rove says is correct.

Quote:
Every presidential election is about change,


This is largely true. Some are about the continuation of a successful president's policies with the only change being a new person at the helm, but I will give Rove credit for this one. Besides, I don't remember an election in which at least one candidate didn't use the word 'change' as a theme.

However, Mr. Rove starts spinning his wheels when he gets to his third paragraph. It's all well and good to present your party's philosophy in the best possible light, but I think many people see right through it. Massive deficits in the 20 years of the Reagan/Bush/Bush dynasty; national debt going from $1 trillion to $9 trillion; immense growth in size of government; government intervention in private moral decisions...I'm not sure where he gets off claiming Jimmy Carter's human rights stance as Reagan's, but oh well...

He at no point acknowledges the fact that the Republicans have become the pro-war party by turning 20th Century Republicanism on its head. This is out of contact with the general public sentiment. Americans don't like war, regardless of what the anti-Americans say.

The crisis in the Republican Party is very real. The evangelicals have driven many from the Party. But even they are disenchanted with the lack of success of their agenda in spite of their party's control of government for 4 decades (they've been in power for most of the time since '6Cool.

I'm confident that history will mark the current Republican era as one of the nadirs of American history when a party's naked lust for power led them to do enormous damage to their own country. (And no, Gopher, I'm not 'hostile' to the Republicans. That word doesn't do my attitude justice.)



Nice writing Yata. You are starting to sound like Ron Paul.
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Milwaukiedave



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Nice writing Yata. You are starting to sound like Ron Paul.


Now that's an insult! But a funny one though.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
I'm confident that history will mark the current Republican era as one of the nadirs of American history when a party's naked lust for power led them to do enormous damage to their own country. (And no, Gopher, I'm not 'hostile' to the Republicans. That word doesn't do my attitude justice.)


A McCain - Clinton election is far, FAR form as 'in the bag' for Clinton as you are assuming.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Now that's an insult!


Insult? No, it's worse than that. It's obscene. The Men in Black will be paying a visit soon. I promise.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 1:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thepeel wrote:
Ya-ta Boy wrote:
I'm confident that history will mark the current Republican era as one of the nadirs of American history when a party's naked lust for power led them to do enormous damage to their own country. (And no, Gopher, I'm not 'hostile' to the Republicans. That word doesn't do my attitude justice.)


A McCain - Clinton election is far, FAR form as 'in the bag' for Clinton as you are assuming.


indeed. obama-mccain would be a lot better for the dems.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 1:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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election is far, FAR form as 'in the bag' for Clinton as you are assuming.


Where'd you get the idea I've committed to Clinton? The election is 9 months away. My gut tells me the Democrats could nominate Kermit the Frog and still win.

Much of the support McCain is getting is reluctant support for lack of any real competition. Even in an exceptionally weak field, he is having to fight hard for the nomination. McCain's support is rather negative--better him than someone even worse. That does not bode well for the general election.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 2:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
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election is far, FAR form as 'in the bag' for Clinton as you are assuming.


Where'd you get the idea I've committed to Clinton? The election is 9 months away. My gut tells me the Democrats could nominate Kermit the Frog and still win.



Kermit should enter the race. He would be better than anyone the
Dems have running presently. (Although Obama is better than the rest of the field.)


(Clinton is in the usual mold of evil fascists like FDR and Lyndon LaRouche who run for the Democrat nomination.)
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owever, Mr. Rove starts spinning his wheels when he gets to his third paragraph. It's all well and good to present your party's philosophy in the best possible light, but I think many people see right through it. Massive deficits in the 20 years of the Reagan/Bush/Bush dynasty; national debt going from $1 trillion to $9 trillion; immense growth in size of government; government intervention in private moral decisions...I'm not sure where he gets off claiming Jimmy Carter's human rights stance as Reagan's, but oh well...



With all due respect:


Deficits were mostly caused by the business cycle.


US GDP has also gone from 3 trillion to 14 trillion.

Congress has had a lot to do with the growth in government.

US entitlement problems would be solved if the age where people can get social security and Medicare were raised to reflect reality.

Also Reagan unlike Carter faced down the Soviet Union.

Bill Clinton had the benefit of a peace dividend


And Bill Clinton who was a good president decided that Bin Laden could not be convicted in a US court and thus Bin Laden was allowed to go free.

worst of all Jimmy Carter allowed Ayatollah Khomeni to come to power in Iran.

The US ought to have gotten Khomeni when he was in France, and thrown him in a secret prison somewhere never to be heard from again.

What would the situation for the US be if Bin Laden and Khomeni were out of the picture?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I was a Rep(robate) I would be nervous that all the leadership feels the need to reassure the rank and file that the party isn't falling apart.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good point, czar.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Czarjorge wrote:
If I was a Rep(robate) I would be nervous that all the leadership feels the need to reassure the rank and file that the party isn't falling apart.


You think?

How would you feel that the 'soul' of your party had his background in mass solicitation? Would that make you feel better?

The GOP is toast. People on here think Clinton or Obama could lose in the general. That's ridiculous.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kuros wrote:
Czarjorge wrote:
If I was a Rep(robate) I would be nervous that all the leadership feels the need to reassure the rank and file that the party isn't falling apart.


You think?

How would you feel that the 'soul' of your party had his background in mass solicitation? Would that make you feel better?

The GOP is toast. People on here think Clinton or Obama could lose in the general. That's ridiculous.


Giants win the superbowl.

Plus the US is a conservative nation more than people think.

Clinton in 1992 won because of the end of the cold war , Ross Perot , and cause he ran as a "new Democrat "

You would have to go back to 1976 for the last time a liberal candidate won.
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