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Endorsements for Ron Paul..still growing...42 delegates plus
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Using such a small sample early in the campaign does shows very little or nothing.

There are like 2.5 Million in the US armed forces out of that 1/ 2000 gave money to Paul still early in the election campaign

And since Paul doesn't understand why Al Qaeda fight and opposes US govt support for alternative energy he isn't a candidate with a clue on national security.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 8:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

joojoo, the only one who doesn't understand Al Qaeda is you. They lied to you, but you bought the lie. You would buy anthing that any slick salesman sold if you liked the lie.

And it has been demonstrated that you know nothing about economics. No economist supports subsidies for alternative energy ... only wackos and greedy socialists support subsidies that are doomed to failure at best.

The entire current energy/oil/transportation/global warming/pollution problem is a result of the last round of subsidies which you want to expand, redirect and make worse and thereby worsen the problems that already exist.

And no, your constant nonsense about the internet, space and GPS is also wrong. These things were all developed by private contractors and the fact that government money was involved only means that the technological advances that could have been made cheaper and would have been more useful were, at a minimun, slowed or delayed, which is actually the best possible outcome of such subsidies.

The donors have voted with their dollars in numbers from the military. It constitutes a valid sample. You know that they support Dr. Ron Paul and they agree with him. It galls you, so you keep denying the truth. The numbers are there. Ron Paul with more support than all other Repubs combined and nearly as much as all candidates. Yeah, it's only 1 out of 2000, but that's a much higher sample size than other national polls use in nationwide polling out of the whole voting population.
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Questions

If the US had a gas tax would people use more of it or less or it?

IF the US had coal to oil plants would the US then have more oil or less oil to make use of?

If the car companies had their pensions taken off their hands so they could invest in more R&D would their R&D investments be less or more?

IF the US was less dependent on mideast oil would the US be more secure or less secure?

Simple questions please answer.

Libertarianism is a cult.
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ontheway



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote:
Questions

1. If the US had a gas tax would people use more of it or less or it?

2. IF the US had coal to oil plants would the US then have more oil or less oil to make use of?

3. If the car companies had their pensions taken off their hands so they could invest in more R&D would their R&D investments be less or more?

4. IF the US was less dependent on mideast oil would the US be more secure or less secure?

5. Simple questions please answer.



These are not so simple, but you are simple minded, so you think they are:

1. Increasing the gas tax would cause increased economic distortions. Economic distortions have caused our problems. We can reduce the consumption of gasoline by eliminating the gas tax and eliminating all subsidies in the energy production and transportation markets.

2. If the US used tax money or subsidies to build any kind of energy production facility it would take money from better investment opportunities and hurt the economy, destroy jobs, reduce the standard of living of many Americans and create poverty. It is a bad idea and solves nothing.

Producing oil from coal is only a good idea if it can be done cheaper than pumping new oil from the ground. If that can be done, then the market will do it and neither subsidies nor government involvement would be needed.

We do not need more oil. We can actually get by with less. We need to follow free market principles in energy and transportation and we can reduce consumption by more than 50% while increasing our standard of living, creating jobs and restoring our liberty.

3. The US is already going bankrupt from Social Security and other unfunded pension type debt. This massive subsidy would help the shareholders of the auto companies but would hurt the taxpayers and the economy. It would cause massive distortions by only benefiting one industry where we already have overinvestment and overconsumption. We have too many roads and too many cars created by the socialistic policies of the past. This would only make the problem worse.

We need to eliminate all subsidies and all the taxes on income, property and energy and transportation. The market will then make use of the most efficient forms of energy production and the most efficient forms of transportation. These do not include the private automible under most circumstances.

We have already overinvested in the automobile/road/highway transportation model. It has failed. It is the cause of much of the problems you lament. You would make the problem worse.

4. US dependence is a result of massive overconsumption caused by socialistic policies like the ones you advocate, Joojoo. Only a pure free market response can reverse the errors of the past and free us from dependence.

The best outcome for the US will follow the adoption of a complete free market. We would need less than half the oil we currently consume while doubling our standard of living in under ten years. This would take an entire book (minimum) to explain to you here, and would depend on your having some economics background which you lack.

5. The reason you shill for simpleminded policy proposals is because you are indeed simple minded and have no background, education or understanding of economics, accounting or finance.

Socialists always try to use "simple" solutions to solve complex problems. They think that simple programs imposed by the government will have positive outcomes, but fail to take into account the fact that the problems they seek to solve are too complex for simple solutions to work.

Instead these simple programs not only fail to address the complex issues involved, they in fact cause distortions which make the problems worse and even more complex. Layers of additional problems are added and layers of new complexity evolve. These seem to be new problems to the simpltons who think government is the answer. They then impose new, additional programs, more simple answers to the even worse and more complicated problems that they themselves have created.

This is a trap that socialists from Joo and his ilk (Nixon, McCain, Bushes) to Yata and his (FDR, LaRouche, Clintons) have fallen into.
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

These are not so simple, but you are simple minded, so you think they are:
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1. Increasing the gas tax would cause increased economic distortions. Economic distortions have caused our problems. We can reduce the consumption of gasoline by eliminating the gas tax and eliminating all subsidies in the energy production and transportation markets.


And that is based on what?

If the US gives less subsides for the oil companies they will just look for it in the mideast where it is cheap to get, unlike the US where it is expensive.
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2. If the US used tax money or subsidies to build any kind of energy production facility it would take money from better investment opportunities and hurt the economy, destroy jobs, reduce the standard of living of many Americans and create poverty. It is a bad idea and solves nothing.



First of all right now the cheaper solution is mideast oil but that is a national security problem. That doesn't factor in.

The more something is done the cheaper it becomes see handphones.



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Producing oil from coal is only a good idea if it can be done cheaper than pumping new oil from the ground. If that can be done, then the market will do it and neither subsidies nor government involvement would be needed.


It is far more expensive than mideast oil or Venezuala but that is not the only consideration.

Getting money from the mideast or Venezula is a national security problem. Put a dollar value on that.

If the US could cut the price of oil then that would get rid of the regime in Iran. Put a price on that.

It would mean less money for Al Qaeda put a price on that too.




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We do not need more oil. We can actually get by with less. We need to follow free market principles in energy and transportation and we can reduce consumption by more than 50% while increasing our standard of living, creating jobs and restoring our liberty.


How so>

If you privatize the roads everything would be so complicated unless one company controlled it all. That would be the same as the government.

Think about it intersections, repairs, traffic lights. Side walks.
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3. The US is already going bankrupt from Social Security and other unfunded pension type debt. This massive subsidy would help the shareholders of the auto companies but would hurt the taxpayers and the economy. It would cause massive distortions by only benefiting one industry where we already have overinvestment and overconsumption. We have too many roads and too many cars created by the socialistic policies of the past. This would only make the problem worse.



social security is fixed if the age is put back.

The US does not have too many roads. And in fact if there were fewer roads people would go by less direct routes and us more oil.

Also US productivity would suffer at the very least in the short run and probably over the long run.




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We need to eliminate all subsidies and all the taxes on income, property and energy and transportation. The market will then make use of the most efficient forms of energy production and the most efficient forms of transportation. These do not include the private automible under most circumstances.


Or it will just complicate things.


Actually what you have is a recipe to kill off US domestic oil production and get the US to buy more of it from the mideast.

Oil is still cheaper than anything else until it gets to 200 dollars a barrel. On the way to becoming so expensive the enemies of the US would reap a financial windfall. That is ok?


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We have already overinvested in the automobile/road/highway transportation model. It has failed. It is the cause of much of the problems you lament. You would make the problem worse.



How do you know?

IF it has failed why is the US GDP 14 trillion dollars. Making everything complicated would cut into US productivity.



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4. US dependence is a result of massive overconsumption caused by socialistic policies like the ones you advocate, Joojoo. Only a pure free market response can reverse the errors of the past and free us from dependence.




No US dependence is cause the US has a 14 trillion dollar GDP. It is cause oil is the cheapest source of energy.

Libertarian policies will make the US more dependent not less.

And that is bad for US national security.
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The best outcome for the US will follow the adoption of a complete free market. We would need less than half the oil we currently consume while doubling our standard of living in under ten years. This would take an entire book (minimum) to explain to you here, and would depend on your having some economics background which you lack.


You could not explain something which is nonsense.


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5. The reason you shill for simpleminded policy proposals is because you are indeed simple minded and have no background, education or understanding of economics, accounting or finance.


Tell us where you get info? that backs what you say

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Socialists always try to use "simple" solutions to solve complex problems. They think that simple programs imposed by the government will have positive outcomes, but fail to take into account the fact that the problems they seek to solve are too complex for simple solutions to work.



Really higher oil taxes mean people will use more oil or less oil?


If the US gets more oil from coal will the US have more oil or less oil?

Tell us the free market solution for US oil addiction.



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Instead these simple programs not only fail to address the complex issues involved, they in fact cause distortions which make the problems worse and even more complex. Layers of additional problems are added and layers of new complexity evolve. These seem to be new problems to the simpltons who think government is the answer. They then impose new, additional programs, more simple answers to the even worse and more complicated problems that they themselves have created.



Here is the problem real simple . High oil prices hurt the US and help the enemies of the US.

And right now the free market solution is to buy oil where it is cheap. That solution is a national security problem.

Tell us what is the free market solution for US oil dependence.


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This is a trap that socialists from Joo and his ilk (Nixon, McCain, Bushes) to Yata and his (FDR, LaRouche, Clintons) have fallen into.


You forgot the Queen of England and Barry Bonds, Elvis and Puff the Magic Dragon

.

Is Puff for the Bushes or Clinton?


No more smoke you tell us how the free market would help the US from its oil addiction.


Tell us did the free market save the whales or kill the whales?

Put up or shut up
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ontheway



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joo, I can't teach you because you lack the background.

Teaching you economic policy is like teaching a first grader who can't add to do calculus. Your comments are inane.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

February 4, 2008 8:29 pm EST

Former State Representative D i c k Randolph Endorses Ron Paul for President

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

February 4, 2008



ANCHORAGE, ALASKA�Former Alaska State Representative D i c k Randolph has endorsed ten-term Texas Congressman Ron Paul for President of the United States:



�I enthusiastically support Dr. Ron Paul�s effort to become the next President of the United States because he is the only candidate who clearly understands the fallacy of this policy and has the ideas and moral strength to attempt to correct it. Until about 70 years ago our foreign policy was, correctly, one with as few foreign entanglements as possible and as Dr. Paul states, 'Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations.' We must return to that policy or our imperialist posture around the world will leave us bankrupt both economically and morally.�



Di ck Randolph previously stated, �Ron is an outstanding individual, has the highest of moral and ethical character and understands the critical issues and their solutions and should be elected the next President of the U.S.�
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ontheway wrote:
Joo, I can't teach you because you lack the background.

Teaching you economic policy is like teaching a first grader who can't add to do calculus. Your comments are inane.



You say what you do cause you can't back up what you say.

Libertarianism is a cult
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

After Huckabee drops out, the conservative/christian wing of the Republican Party will swing behind Ron Paul. He will will the delegates from those caucus states that have previously voted but not yet chosen actual delegates (Iowa, Maine, Nevada, Louisiana, and many of today's caucuses have only begun the process):


ChristianBusinessDaily.com Endorses Ron Paul for President

by David G. Johnson
February 4, 2008


Christian Business Daily has long stood for policy that is rooted in solid Biblical principles � sound stewardship of financial and other resources, rewards for fruitfulness and productivity, and environments that allow for enterprise to flourish without undue taxation or public theft masquerading as compassion. This is why our editorial team has chosen to support a presidential candidate in the Republican primaries, Ron Paul.

The reasons for our selection of Congressman Paul are numerous, but can be summarized by what we esteem in his personal character, ethics, integrity, consistent sound economic and monetary policy record, and his grasp of foundational concepts that promote the freedoms that were hard-won by the Founders and codified by the framers of the U.S. Constitution.

We recognize a number of disturbing trends within the ranks of so-called "conservatives" in recent history, including a near-Socialist commitment to furthering the creation of a paternal State promising its people health care and other entitlements traditionally supported by liberals. The field of Republican candidates in the current election cycle is dominated by supporters of unhealthy taxation and wealth redistribution schemes that fund unethical and immoral initiatives, promote dependence over personal responsibility, and contribute to the further degradation of liberty.

We recognize that it is only in a free society that we, as Christians and as businesspeople, will be able to live out our God-given individual purposes without ungodly restraint of over-intrusive government, without having our values and freedoms trampled upon, and without theft of our families' resources � whether via direct taxation or through the creation of additional burdensome national debt.

Ron Paul, as a physician who has delivered over 4,000 babies, has taken as strong a pro-life stance as has any candidate for public office in the history of the debate over this issue. As a Congressman, he has demonstrated an unwavering commitment to the Constitution, to limited government, to individual freedom, to property rights, and to sound economic policy. His positions on issues facing our nation today are most closely aligned with what we believe to be the Biblical positions.

We recognize that there are questions regarding his ability to win the nomination of the Republican Party � particularly in light of the strong media spin which has virtually ignored his candidacy and his record-breaking support. We also recall from history the Presidential election of 1860, in which there were four strong Republican candidates for President. Abraham Lincoln was elected to the highest office in the land in a strongly-contested battle. He won only 39% of the popular vote.

We urge our readers to give thorough consideration to the field of candidates and cast their vote in favor of the liberty that made our nation great. Cast a vote for Ron Paul.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The free market would save the whales, if the free market was allowed to operate. The whales should be privately owned like other animals. The private owners would have the incentive to save and expand the herd.

This is in fact the only solution to the overfishing and over harvesting problems in the world. We need to establish property rights in herds, schools, flocks and other groups of fresh and salt water fishes, birds, ducks, deer, whales etc. Such rights can be established based on species or based on dry land, wet land and submerged land property rights. The governments of the world have failed in their stewardship of natural animal and plant resources. The free market, including the charitable sector of organizations concerned with species preservation such as Ducks Unlimited along with private farmers, fishers, hunters will do the best job.

This is how the American buffalo was saved. When essentially all of the government owned, socialist buffalo had been hunted and killed, there were only a few hundred buffalo left, all in private herds. It was the private buffalo farmers who preserved the buffalo. This breeding stock in the free market saved the buffalo.

The destruction of species is nearly always a result of socialism (other than the significant amount of extinction brought about through acts of nature itself). Private property rights must be established to enable the preservation of species.


Thousands of books are available on these economic topics Joojoo. You should try reading at least one book on economics or take one class. Try one business and one accounting class too. It's obvious from your inane comments about policy that you haven't and that you don't have a clue.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ontheway wrote:
The free market would save the whales, if the free market was allowed to operate. The whales should be privately owned like other animals. The private owners would have the incentive to save and expand the herd.



That seems a bit impractical. I mean if I were to buy a 300ha plot of ocean in the middle of the Pacific, how could I possibly protect it. There wouldn't be any law and if the Japanese came along and raided my waters I'd have no recourse. I just invested in a 300ha plot of water w/o any whale to sell because it was pirated.

Point is, I don't think the open seas can be policed very easily.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Buying a 300ha plot in the middle of the ocean would be as foolish as buying a 1 square foot "plot" in the middle of Manhattan. So of course that wouldn't work.

However, buying a 3000 square mile plot might make a lot of sense. You and your fellow investors could invest in the protection necessary. Your property would likely be part of some significant "nation" as well, and the Japanese have not resorted to attacking cattle farms in Iowa lately, so they probably wouldn't attack a US owned whale farm that was part of US territory. (In fact, they haven't yet attacked Dokdo.) The oceans, rivers, lakes etc. of the world need to be privatized anyway, so it's time to get on with it.


Since the socialist model has failed totally, and since the species are currently "unowned," it is perfectly possible to set up appropriate stuctures of ownership based on the particulars of each species. In the case of whales, the herd itself should be privatized into one or more privately owned herds. The individual members of the herd can easily be tagged and tracked. The harvesting would be limited by the owners. Should groups of individuals organize to own some herds of whales with a zero harvest rate, that would also be possible. The species would flourish in either case. They would be forever safe from extinction.

Japanese corporate farmers might be the best managers of a "herd" of whales. They would profit from increasing the size of their herd and would limit their harvest to maximize the growth of the herd.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The last time the free market went to work whales were almost wiped out.

Some won't even make it back. The blue whale is so rare almost no one can see one.

The Buffalo were not government owned. Nobody owned them and the free market nearly wiped them out.

Look at the free market for Tuna , the populations are collapsing.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote:
The last time the free market went to work whales were almost wiped out.

Some won't even make it back. The blue whale is so rare almost no one can see one.

The Buffalo were not government owned. Nobody owned them and the free market nearly wiped them out.

Look at the free market for Tuna , the populations are collapsing.



Joo! What you wrote above is soo stupid. It's just what I've been telling you. You are clueless.



The first requirement of having a free market is that the item in question must be privately owned.


All of the above whales, tuna, buffalo (with the exception of those privately owned buffalo that saved the species) are government owned or unowned technically but in a condition where the government itself prevents private ownership which amounts to government ownership.


So, what we have is socialist ownership, under which, various types of harvests, legal and illegal, wipe out a socialistically managed good.

This has been written about in thousands of books JOO. It's also called the "tragedy of the commons."

The free market does not exist where there is no private ownership. That is an absolute requirement to having a free market. It is by definition.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ontheway wrote:
Buying a 300ha plot in the middle of the ocean would be as foolish as buying a 1 square foot "plot" in the middle of Manhattan. So of course that wouldn't work.

However, buying a 3000 square mile plot might make a lot of sense. You and your fellow investors could invest in the protection necessary. Your property would likely be part of some significant "nation" as well, and the Japanese have not resorted to attacking cattle farms in Iowa lately, so they probably wouldn't attack a US owned whale farm that was part of US territory. (In fact, they haven't yet attacked Dokdo.) The oceans, rivers, lakes etc. of the world need to be privatized anyway, so it's time to get on with it.


Since the socialist model has failed totally, and since the species are currently "unowned," it is perfectly possible to set up appropriate stuctures of ownership based on the particulars of each species. In the case of whales, the herd itself should be privatized into one or more privately owned herds. The individual members of the herd can easily be tagged and tracked. The harvesting would be limited by the owners. Should groups of individuals organize to own some herds of whales with a zero harvest rate, that would also be possible. The species would flourish in either case. They would be forever safe from extinction.

Japanese corporate farmers might be the best managers of a "herd" of whales. They would profit from increasing the size of their herd and would limit their harvest to maximize the growth of the herd.



Who would buy the Blue whales. How would they be tracked? Who is going to pay for it.

But I think the best thing would be to show that the government is preventing this and more than that show is the investors for such a project.

Just who is going to protect the Blue Whales? Who is going to tag them?
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