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mistermasan
Joined: 20 Sep 2007
Location: 10+ yrs on Dave's ESL cafe
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 Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 5:37 pm Post subject: time to change ALPHABETS? |
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korea needs to change alphabets now. scrap the old one. adopt/amend the current western one. that simple, said and done.
the leadership of korea 500 years ago was visionary enough to adopt a western alphabet. the only problem is that alphabet is no longer the one that best suits the needs of korea. the korean script is tibetian phags pha or dbu mhed adapted. it made sense. they took the predominant alphabetical script (due to prevalence of buddhist scriptures ala latin in the west)of the time/region and adapted it to their own needs.
retire the korean script. amend the current western one to fit the needs of the nation. learn from indonesia. they took the best of our alphabet and fixed spelling inconsistencies, e.g. sexy and taxi. both have the same endings. how do indonesian now spell these? seksi and taksi (iirc). do students need spelling bees indonesia?
a small nation must be agile, quick and not refuse to change on matters that need to change. for the future of korea, they need to change scripts. yesterday. |
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SeoulShakin
Joined: 05 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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And the award for the most ignorant post goes to.... 
Just because you can't read hangul, doesn't mean that they should change everything. |
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Typhoon
Joined: 29 May 2007
Location: Daejeon
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Yup, stupid idea and post. |
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Typhoon
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Yup, stupid idea and post. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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| I didn't realize it was possible to fit that many errors into that few words. |
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billybrobby
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Oooh, this guy's ideas are so revolutionary, and he states them with such confidence! I will -- nay -- MUST reply to this thread! If only there was some way to throw cash at him through the internet! |
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mistermasan
Joined: 20 Sep 2007
Location: 10+ yrs on Dave's ESL cafe
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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korean is a western script, yes or no?
is not ㅍ a cognate of the greek pi, 3.14?
are not ㄷ, ㄸ,ㅌ permutations of the letter "t" (which has retained its form/sound since cuniform- it was a pictograph of an arrow).
is ㄱ and ㄲ not gamma and digamma (double g's)?
is not ㄹ, in its "R" value essentially the the same letter? in form/sound the korean R is equal to the Arabian.
korean is a western script adapted (as all good alphabets are) to fit local needs.
germany dropped her gothic scripts, adopted the standardized western type and thus reduced one of the perceived borders between us and them. now we can muddle thru der speigle if need be. needless to say germans handle english quite well. when did germans start taking english as a second language? when did koreans? where is the dave's esl forum specifically reserved for english teachers in germany. how many millions is germany pouring out to bring in canadians and americans to teach english this year?
there are already 10,000 english words embedded in korean but no one seems willing to recognize nor utilize this asset to anywhere near the potential.
eliminate weaknesses. build from strengths. |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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the korean alphabet as it is currently configured creates pronunciation problems when translated into english, phonetically.
an adjustment to hangul text would greatly aid in pronunciation of english words. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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| mistermasan wrote: |
| korean is a western script, yes or no? |
No.
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| is not ㅍ a cognate of the greek pi, 3.14? |
Do you mean a derivative? Then, no. By the way, Mathematicians decided to use the Greek letter to represent that particular ratio. Greeks had decided to use it to represent a sound in their language long before that.
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| are not ㄷ, ㄸ,ㅌ permutations of the letter "t" (which has retained its form/sound since cuniform- it was a pictograph of an arrow). |
No.
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| is ㄱ and ㄲ not gamma and digamma (double g's)? |
No.
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| is not ㄹ, in its "R" value essentially the the same letter? in form/sound the korean R is equal to the Arabian. |
No.
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| korean is a western script adapted (as all good alphabets are) to fit local needs. |
No.
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| germany dropped her gothic scripts, adopted the standardized western type and thus reduced one of the perceived borders between us and them. now we can muddle thru der speigle if need be. needless to say germans handle english quite well. when did germans start taking english as a second language? when did koreans? where is the dave's esl forum specifically reserved for english teachers in germany. how many millions is germany pouring out to bring in canadians and americans to teach english this year? |
Evidently, you're unaware that English and German are both Germanic languages. They are thus related to each other. Korean, on the other hand, is a language isolate and thus is not related to either English or German.
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| there are already 10,000 english words embedded in korean but no one seems willing to recognize nor utilize this asset to anywhere near the potential. |
There are quite a few French and Latin words in English's vocabulary. That does not, by any means, make English a Romance language. Why then should the presence of English words in Korean make Korean a Western language?
Oh, and the script used to write a language is not a linguistic issue.
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| eliminate weaknesses. build from strengths. |
Good advice. Perhaps you could eliminate your ignorance about the Korean script? I strongly suggest visiting the museum by Sejong's tomb. There is a wonderful exhibit there about the development of the Korean script.
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patongpanda
Joined: 06 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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Why not just add a few more characters to Hangul.
Just slip V,F,P,Z into the set of consonants and it would be perfect.
Seriously, why not??? |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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| mistermasan wrote: |
korean is a western script, yes or no?
is not ㅍ a cognate of the greek pi, 3.14?
are not ㄷ, ㄸ,ㅌ permutations of the letter "t" (which has retained its form/sound since cuniform- it was a pictograph of an arrow).
is ㄱ and ㄲ not gamma and digamma (double g's)?
is not ㄹ, in its "R" value essentially the the same letter? in form/sound the korean R is equal to the Arabian.
korean is a western script adapted (as all good alphabets are) to fit local needs.
germany dropped her gothic scripts, adopted the standardized western type and thus reduced one of the perceived borders between us and them. now we can muddle thru der speigle if need be. needless to say germans handle english quite well. when did germans start taking english as a second language? when did koreans? where is the dave's esl forum specifically reserved for english teachers in germany. how many millions is germany pouring out to bring in canadians and americans to teach english this year?
there are already 10,000 english words embedded in korean but no one seems willing to recognize nor utilize this asset to anywhere near the potential.
eliminate weaknesses. build from strengths. |
I can tell when someone's just taking the piss. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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I don't actually think there is anything wrong with creating some uniformity on this front but the OP was extremely ignorant and as a result the chances of a more level-headed discussion are slim. Of course it's entirely possible that the OP was just hitting buttons.
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kiwiduncan
Joined: 18 Jun 2007
Location: New Zealand
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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MisterMasan, you make some good points from time to time in your other posts, but this suggestion seems so bad I am wondering if you are just trolling. Hangul is a great system - you can learn it in one day. If the Koreans should scrap hangul then the Japanese and Chinese should scrap their writing systems too.
If we are going to discuss scrapping and adopting writing systems, just imagine if some canny Chinese ambassador had taken hangul back to Beijing a couple of centuries ago. If you combined the might and influence of China with the simplicity and practicality of hangul you'd end up with Chinese being a much more prominent world language.
If they were to make any changes to hangul I'd suggest one thing - an "F" symbol.  |
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mistermasan
Joined: 20 Sep 2007
Location: 10+ yrs on Dave's ESL cafe
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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tibetan is openly accepted as a western script. it predates korean hangul by approx. 1000 years.
if you are so inclined, please compare contrast the tibetian in this link to modern korean:
www.babelstone.co.uk/ZhangZhung/Table2.html |
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cunning_stunt
Joined: 16 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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He's Obvious trolling , which makes the lameness of some of the misplaced righteousness even more delightful .
Sorry to burst your bubble , but taking a linguistic course did not suddenly become a useful or important skillset folks . |
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