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SuperFly



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 5:40 pm    Post subject: McCain hates "Gooks" Reply with quote

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/hongop.shtml
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chris_J2



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 5:41 pm    Post subject: McCain is Racist Reply with quote

That link returns a worm block message:

http://58.29.246.170/x-certmdd/blockdata.html
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SuperFly



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By KATIE HONG
SPECIAL TO THE POST-INTELLIGENCER





On his campaign bus recently, Sen. John McCain told reporters, "I hated the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live." Although McCain said he was referring only to his prison guards, there are many reasons why his use of the word "gook" is offensive and alarming.

It is offensive because by using a racial epithet that has historically been used to demean all Asians to describe his captors, McCain failed to make a distinction between his torturers and an entire racial group.

It is alarming because a major candidate for president publicly used a racial epithet, refused to apologize for doing so and remains a legitimate contender.

Contrary to McCain's attempt to narrowly define "gook" to mean only his "sadistic" captors, this term has historically been used to describe all Asians. McCain said that "gook" was the most "polite" term he could find to describe his captors, but because it is simply a pejorative term for Asians, he insulted his captors simply by calling them "Asians" -- a clearly disturbing message. To the Asian American community, the term is akin to the racist word "nigger." A friend of mine, a white male Vietnam veteran, pointed out that veterans, especially Vietnam veterans, know how spiteful the term "gook" is. It has everything to do with labeling someone as "other," the enemy and yellow. McCain sent the message that all Asians are foreigners and remain forever the "other" and the enemy.

The perception of Asians as "foreigners" or "the other" isn't new. This sentiment is what led to passage of the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882 and the Japanese American internment during World War II. The internment of Japanese Americans is now recognized as one of the worst civil rights violations in our country's history and a powerful lesson in what can happen when race alone is used as a test for loyalty or who is defined as an American.

We've made tremendous progress as a nation in overcoming racism. That is why it is so disturbing that a major candidate for the U.S. president can perpetuate the stereotype of Asians as permanent foreigners, hurtling us backward to a time and a place where such racial epithets were an acceptable part of mainstream discourse.

What makes this incident even more disturbing is how neither the media nor the other presidential candidates have highlighted that his use of a racist term is unacceptable.

Asian Americans are one of the fastest growing minority populations in the United States. And the media's choice to ignore or excuse McCain's behavior is a painful reminder that Asians remain outsiders on the back steps of national American politics.

McCain's main campaign message is inclusion. What his actions have told me, however, is that his inclusion does not include people who look like me.

I love this country just as much as McCain does, and I am committed to serving my community and my country. That is the reason I have entered a career in public service and why I am committed to making America a great country where equal opportunity and justice for everyone is a reality and not just a vision.

This is also why I am so hurt by McCain's comment: He has reminded me that despite my commitment to serving my country, there are still some people in this country who would first perceive me as the enemy.



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Katie Hong is a Korean American woman who lives in Seattle and works for Washington state government.
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SuperFly



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Put the author of that article in a Vietnamese POW camp for 5 years and see what tune she sings at the end of it all.

Actually, I just realized that this happened back in 2000.

And I understand that he made it clear he was referring to his guards and not all Vietnamese
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

so...they can call us way-gooks (literally foreign gooks) all they want but reciprocity is not allowed?

in chinese, mei guo is america, in korea that shifts to meigook.the guo/gook is simply "nation".

the double standard never ends. koreans call china something like qingook. imagine if mc cain had used this term: he'd be a double racist having droped chink and gook together. how dare he lump all asiatic han peoples together. how can the old POW be so insensitive to linguistically unenlightened political correctness?
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thepeel



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He was tortured for 5 years. I'm sure he is a tad bitter.

To put it in perspective, look at how much American Koreans go crazy when people in the US ask them where they are from (or mistake them for Chinese). It is a source of a great deal of anti-White/Black hate among them. And that is just a question. 5 years of torture is bound to cause some permanent feelings of ill will.

I disagree with JM's policies on a lot of things, but he gets a pass on this.
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RACETRAITOR



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mistermasan wrote:
so...they can call us way-gooks (literally foreign gooks) all they want but reciprocity is not allowed?

in chinese, mei guo is america, in korea that shifts to meigook.the guo/gook is simply "nation".

the double standard never ends. koreans call china something like qingook. imagine if mc cain had used this term: he'd be a double racist having droped chink and gook together. how dare he lump all asiatic han peoples together. how can the old POW be so insensitive to linguistically unenlightened political correctness?


I seriously don't remember you writing such retarded posts before. Did you just suffer from a stroke?
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chris_J2



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:23 pm    Post subject: McCain Reply with quote

Fact:

The first thing all people of all races do, when fighting with anyone (even members of their own race), is to 'dehumanise' the opposition. Hitler did it with the Jews, The Tutsis / Hutus did it to each other in Rwanda, & the Indian caste system institutionalises it. Interestingly it is now the Nazis who are denigrated & dehumanised, & rightly so. Maybe a Sociology Major, could clarify it better than me?

As long as McCain describes only his captors as 'gooks' in that context, I don't see a problem with it. PC is all very fine, but the man has a right to tell it like it is/was.
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billybrobby



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mistermasan wrote:
so...they can call us way-gooks (literally foreign gooks) all they want but reciprocity is not allowed?

in chinese, mei guo is america, in korea that shifts to meigook.the guo/gook is simply "nation".

the double standard never ends. koreans call china something like qingook. imagine if mc cain had used this term: he'd be a double racist having droped chink and gook together. how dare he lump all asiatic han peoples together. how can the old POW be so insensitive to linguistically unenlightened political correctness?


You can't determine whether a word is a pejorative slur by looking at its etymology alone. You have to look at how it has been used.

You could argue that n*gger, coming from the Spanish word for 'black' should be no more offensive than the term "black person" since they share similar chromatic etymologies. But when somebody says 'n*gger' in this day and age, it's clear that their intent is to denigrate (a word that comes from the Latin for "to blacken") people of African descent.

The words heeb, jap, and brit all have similar etymologies in that they are unoffensive words with their endings clipped off to create slang terms. But heeb and jap are offensive whereas Brit is not. Why? Because they've been used that way historically.

You can't take a word that has been used for decades as a slur and pretend like it has a clean slate just because it comes from an unoffensive word. Many slurs come from unoffensive words.
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spliff



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Gook" comes from "Hangook" during the K-war, right?
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SuperFly



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spliff wrote:
"Gook" comes from "Hangook" during the K-war, right?


Some people say that's the case, others argue differently.
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thepeel



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A Korean told me that the (formerly) Black expression "yo" was appropriated by African Americans during the Korean war. But they said lots of stuff.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I'm not mistaken, McCain supported normalization of relations between the US and Vietnam. If he were genuinely racist, he would not have done so.

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On his campaign bus recently, Sen. John McCain told reporters, "I hated the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live." Although McCain said he was referring only to his prison guards, there are many reasons why his use of the word "gook" is offensive and alarming.



McCain used the word in a narrow and specific context. I think 5 years of captivity and torture entitle you to use any word you want to use about your captors.
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Thunndarr



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spliff wrote:
"Gook" comes from "Hangook" during the K-war, right?


Megook is more likely.
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bluelake



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spliff wrote:
"Gook" comes from "Hangook" during the K-war, right?


I know it was in use during WWII in reference to the Japanese (my dad was a veteran of the Pacific Theater). The topic has come up now and again on different forums and, IIRC, its use goes way back long before WWII.
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