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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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This multiculturalism thing (the reality, not Canadian policy) seems to work quite well with one big exception. |
Holy smokes. Who hacked your password? |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 5:22 am Post subject: |
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| The Netherlands has them watch a video of two men kissing and then makes them sign a pledge to uphold tolerance as the highest value. I'd expand on this and make it a good 5-7 years before citizenship and make associating with radical imams or equivalent grounds for automatic deportation. So would be spousal abuse. So would be attending a racist/radical mosque. So would surfing islamist hate sites. Let them do that crap in Lahore. To become a citizen they would have to demonstrate a committment to Canadian values. Show us you want to be part of a progressive country. If not, go home. |
For the record, I have no substantive disagreement with any of these conditions.
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| Also, just exclude crazy countries. There is no reason to let Saudi's move to Canada. Ditto for Pakistan, Sudan, Algeria, Somalia and some others. Let them move between their own self-made hell hole countries. Just exclude them. Final answer. |
I'd disagree with this though. I'm sure there are immigration worthy people from these countries. People that can contribute to a Western society. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 6:29 am Post subject: |
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| thepeel wrote: |
This multiculturalism thing (the reality, not Canadian policy) seems to work quite well with one big exception. |
Holy smokes. Who hacked your password? |
I have absolutely no opposition to any body moving to my country provided they do not try to turn the clock back on the amazing progress Canada has made. The existence of progressive'ish societies is a fraction of a second in human history. I believe we ought to try and maintain the gains already made while continuing to move forward. It has just become safe, and only in some cities, for 2 men to walk hand in hand down the street. I seriously doubt these small gains can be maintained with a sizable muslim minority. The increase in anti-gay attacks in the UK, and some Scandinavian countries should be a warning. It isn't rednecks, by in large, doing the violence now.
When I oppose multiculturalism, I'm referring to the government policies in Canada and some other Western nations. Not the reality of different people finding a way to exist peacefully together.
I'm tired of this subject now. My last word (for now) is that I see a pattern developing that is quite scary. I'll be damn happy to be wrong. I want to be wrong. But I really do not think I am. |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 4:28 am Post subject: |
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| I'd disagree with this though. I'm sure there are immigration worthy people from these countries. People that can contribute to a Western society. |
I'm sure there are too. However, I am also sure that allowing immigration from these countries will also allow in many, many people who will not just contribute nothing to Western society, but will actually cause very serious problems. I don't see the logic of allowing in such countless thousands of people, on the basis that 'some of them' may contribute to Western to society, when we know that immigration from other countries will not pose anywhere near as many problems.
Why take the risk? So, we can continue to slap ourselves on the back at how wonderfully 'tolerant' we are? |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:42 am Post subject: |
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| I'd disagree with this though. I'm sure there are immigration worthy people from these countries. People that can contribute to a Western society. |
I'm sure there are too. However, I am also sure that allowing immigration from these countries will also allow in many, many people who will not just contribute nothing to Western society, but will actually cause very serious problems. I don't see the logic of allowing in such countless thousands of people, on the basis that 'some of them' may contribute to Western to society, when we know that immigration from other countries will not pose anywhere near as many problems.
Why take the risk? So, we can continue to slap ourselves on the back at how wonderfully 'tolerant' we are? |
Well, here's a question. Why did the Dutch, for example, take in so many immigrants from Muslim countries? (Besides Indonesia, which I can understand.) Was it just that the Dutch governments thought that Muslims were such wonderful people, so let's bring in as many as we can? Or was it that those countries were the only ones coughing up the kind of people who would be willing to take the kind of low-paying, dead end jobs that the Dutch were looking to fill? Or... |
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nateium
Joined: 21 Aug 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 8:52 am Post subject: |
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Well, here's a question. Why did the Dutch, for example, take in so many immigrants from Muslim countries?.... Or was it that those countries were the only ones coughing up the kind of people who would be willing to take the kind of low-paying, dead end jobs that the Dutch were looking to fill? Or... |
It seems to me it wasn't a conscious decision at all. Somehow Muslims got an immigration foothold, and the situation got out of control quickly. Surely there must be millions of people all over the non-Muslim developing world who would love to pick tulips in the Netherlands. |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 12:29 am Post subject: |
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| Was it just that the Dutch governments thought that Muslims were such wonderful people, so let's bring in as many as we can? Or was it that those countries were the only ones coughing up the kind of people who would be willing to take the kind of low-paying, dead end jobs that the Dutch were looking to fill? Or... |
Either way, it has been an umitigated disaster, and as another poster has pointed out such immigrants could have been taken from other countries, without any of the accompanying problems. |
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chris_J2
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
Location: From Brisbane, Au.
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Bigverne
As pointed out previously, a high percentage of Muslim immigrants to the Netherlands are illegal immgrants. Maybe it's time they were deported? |
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