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Pluto
Joined: 19 Dec 2006
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 9:59 am Post subject: |
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Buying a 300ha plot in the middle of the ocean would be as foolish as buying a 1 square foot "plot" in the middle of Manhattan. So of course that wouldn't work.
However, buying a 3000 square mile plot might make a lot of sense. You and your fellow investors could invest in the protection necessary. Your property would likely be part of some significant "nation" as well, and the Japanese have not resorted to attacking cattle farms in Iowa lately, so they probably wouldn't attack a US owned whale farm that was part of US territory. (In fact, they haven't yet attacked Dokdo.) The oceans, rivers, lakes etc. of the world need to be privatized anyway, so it's time to get on with it.
Since the socialist model has failed totally, and since the species are currently "unowned," it is perfectly possible to set up appropriate stuctures of ownership based on the particulars of each species. In the case of whales, the herd itself should be privatized into one or more privately owned herds. The individual members of the herd can easily be tagged and tracked. The harvesting would be limited by the owners. Should groups of individuals organize to own some herds of whales with a zero harvest rate, that would also be possible. The species would flourish in either case. They would be forever safe from extinction.
Japanese corporate farmers might be the best managers of a "herd" of whales. They would profit from increasing the size of their herd and would limit their harvest to maximize the growth of the herd. |
I suppose you if you had the economies of scale to pull off such a venture, you could do it. I was thinking about me being a lone farmer in the middle of the ocean.
Anyways investing in such scale economies for simply whale meat seems foolish, but then again the Japanese do love their whale meat.  |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:07 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
Who would buy the Blue whales. How would they be tracked? Who is going to pay for it.
But I think the best thing would be to show that the government is preventing this and more than that show is the investors for such a project.
Just who is going to protect the Blue Whales? Who is going to tag them? |
Farmers. Whale farmers.
(We would also have tuna farmers, lobester farmers, crab farmers, etc.)
Whales are already being electronically tagged and tracked by research groups. Farmers would have a financial incentive to do it. They could profit from harvesting the increase in their herds and from ecotourism. So would private conservation groups that could combine charity, research and ecotourism in their income stream.
There are millions of people who would be interested in investing in such "aquaculture" if the governments of the world, the evil socialist governments of the world, would get out of the way. In addition, conservation groups would also invest in species and natural resource ownership. They are also a component of the free market if they compete without government involvement. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004 Location: All over the map
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:13 am Post subject: |
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Moby Dick is a good read. It bogs down at times in overly-specific descriptions of the 18th century whaling practices, but it has great chapters to balance it out.
I suspect the current Japanese whaling industry lacks some of the 'romance' of those previous days depicted by Melville.
Kill it, cut it, eat it. No excuse for the need for whale oil (baleen?) for a source of light and energy.
Just people who think it tastes good. And that eating tiger *beep* makes you good in bed.
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:25 am Post subject: |
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Ah, now comes the vegetarians vs. the meat eaters who don't eat whales, tigers, or dogs but love beef, pork, chicken, lamb ...
Now, watch one of Ron Paul's economic advisors, Peter Schiff:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ux_mIM119Co
The Ron Paul campaign, and Ron Paul himself, are the only candidate and campaign team with an understanding of economics. They are the only one's that can deal with the problems we are facing. |
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Pluto
Joined: 19 Dec 2006
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:42 am Post subject: |
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| ontheway wrote: |
Ah, now comes the vegetarians vs. the meat eaters who don't eat whales, tigers, or dogs but love beef, pork, chicken, lamb ...
Now, watch one of Ron Paul's economic advisors, Peter Schiff:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ux_mIM119Co
The Ron Paul campaign, and Ron Paul himself, are the only candidate and campaign team with an understanding of economics. They are the only one's that can deal with the problems we are facing. |
I own no debt right now, no mortgage, no car payment, no credit card... nothing. So my mood as a consumer is pretty good and I feel somewhat shielded from the mortgage crisis and to a more general extent the various problems with credit. That said, we've been discussing this in Finance and even my professor seems to think the prices in most of the housing markets will have to be halved before any real market balance starts to occur. Another side effect is that the consumer will have to save at least 25% of the listed price before a bank will even consider lending to you.
I'm renting right now so I have no house ownership. It's good that I've got no debt but if I ever want to be a home owner looks like I've got to start saving... like today. |
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The_Conservative
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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| ontheway wrote: |
| After Huckabee drops out, the conservative/christian wing of the Republican Party will swing behind Ron Paul. . |
Too bad then that Huckabee just took West Virgina I think he will be in the race a while longer. |
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Pluto
Joined: 19 Dec 2006
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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| How many delegates are endorsing Paul? |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 12:05 am Post subject: |
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Major new foreign policy experts join Ron Paul campaign:
February 7, 2008 2:05 pm EST
Suicide Terrorism Expert Professor Robert Pape Named Ron Paul 2008 Foreign Policy Advisor
Ivan Eland, Leon Hadar also added to Ron Paul foreign policy team
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
February 7, 2008
ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA � Today University of Chicago professor Robert Pape has joined the Ron Paul 2008 campaign as a foreign policy advisor.
Dr. Pape is the foremost expert on suicide terrorism and the founder of the Chicago Project on Suicide Terrorism. He is also the author of Dying to Win: The Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism and has published numerous articles on suicide terrorism and the use of air power in war.
Regarding the campaign, Professor Pape said, �Ron Paul's campaign is making a lasting contribution to the security of the United States and its allies. Indeed, I often tell audiences �Ron Paul has the right foreign policy to safeguard America.��
Middle East expert Leon Hadar and national security analyst Ivan Eland have also joined the Ron Paul campaign as foreign policy advisors.
Leon Hadar is a Washington-based global affairs analyst whose commentary on U.S. foreign policy has been published in leading newspapers and foreign policy journals. A former UN correspondent for the Jerusalem Post, he is the author of Quagmire: America in the Middle East and Sandstorm: Policy Failure in the Middle East.
Ivan Eland is senior fellow and director of the Center on Peace & Liberty at The Independent Institute. Dr. Eland spent 15 years working for Congress on national security issues, including stints as an investigator for the House Foreign Affairs Committee and Principal Defense Analyst at the Congressional Budget Office. He is the author of several books, including The Empire Has No Clothes: U.S. Foreign Policy Exposed. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 12:17 am Post subject: |
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Of the original big 11 Republican candidates (there were actually dozens of other minor Republican candidates for Pres.) there are now only 3 left. Romney got tired of spending his own money to confuse the campaign, fool the media into creating make believe supporters and buy an election.
Down to business. Ron Paul's campaign already has a minimum of 42 delegates. With Romney's fake campaign effort over, can Huckabee and Paul stop McCain from getting a majority of delegates before the convention? Will McCain fall like Thompson, Giulinani and Romney, the other media created leaders?
February 6, 2008 3:19 pm EST
Ron Paul National Delegate Count Now 42 or More
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
February 6, 2008
ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA � With the results of many of the �Super Tuesday� primaries and caucuses now finalized, the Ron Paul campaign is now projecting that it has at least 42 delegates to the national convention secured.
While much of the focus in yesterday�s Super Tuesday contests focused on preference poll numbers, Ron Paul caucus-goers were focused on securing delegates to the national convention. With dedicated supporters and an organization focused purely on securing delegates, the campaign has secured more delegates to the national convention in Minneapolis-St. Paul than caucus straw polls might otherwise suggest.
According to campaign projections, a minimum of 24 delegates were won in yesterday�s contests. When added to projected delegates coming from strong showings in Iowa (4), Nevada ( , Louisiana (3) and Maine (3), that brings the total delegate count to 42 delegates or more.
�Our goal has always been to walk into the national GOP convention with as many delegates as possible,� said Ron Paul 2008 campaign manager Lew Moore. �The number of delegates we won yesterday could very well be the difference in a Convention where no one has a first-ballot majority. With Dr. Paul�s home state of Texas coming up, we feel we can enter the convention with a substantial number of delegates.�
In an agreement first reported by West Virginia television station WSAZ, three Ron Paul delegates were secured through an agreement with the Mike Huckabee campaign at the West Virginia state convention early Tuesday. Ron Paul delegates to the state convention swung their sizable support to Huckabee � putting Huckabee over the top � in exchange for the delegates.
According to campaign projections from last night�s results at least 3 delegates were won in Alaska, 5 delegates were won in North Dakota, 9 delegates were won in Minnesota, and 4 delegates were won in Colorado.
Additionally the results of the Louisiana Caucus may still change in favor of Ron Paul, where an ongoing legal challenge may result in most of that state�s delegates going towards Ron Paul after state GOP officials violated their own rules to improperly put delegates from other campaigns on the ballots |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 1:32 am Post subject: |
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| Pluto wrote: |
| That said, we've been discussing this in Finance and even my professor seems to think the prices in most of the housing markets will have to be halved before any real market balance starts to occur. |
I strongly believe that prices all over the United States, Spain, Oz, Canada and Ireland will fall back to 2000-2001 levels. |
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