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CaptPorridge



Joined: 17 Oct 2003
Location: Saudi Arabia

PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah I hear you, and the last thing I'd want to do is scare this guy off something good,
Yeah cult survivors are there , but more imortantly trained psychologists and experts in this field.

This sounds awefully sus to me, and to others
The feeling I get was that he was lied to, to get him to the interview
2 years of study at a university....and a week later he's not even sure its a uni and the study could be 4 years of 96 hour weeks.
Is the proffessor really a proffessor? Is she really a she?

He asked for advice and I think if it is some kind of cultic group, then the advice of these guys is what he needs most.
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mithridates



Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency

PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 7:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, after a lot of looking around, it seems that I don't have to go all the way to Daejon. I checked around in Seoul and there are some two or three places that teach the same thing. They aren't free, but they might as well be - 120 000W a year for 4 hours a week, 15 hours a week during university breaks. Also, those two other places I found give credit for the study which is quite funny (can anyone guess why it's funny?)
The reason they're so cheap is because the gov't funds most of it; the reason why is the same as the explanation the professor gave me - people that know this stuff are few and far in between, and quite needed.
I've already started learning it (the content) and plan to register at one of those places soon. Nice to know that I don't have to leave Seoul to study this literature, because it's quite good stuff. I think I can memorize it all with minimal help from a teacher, and then we'll see what happens.
Thanks for all your input, everybody.
Very Happy
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Tiger Beer



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 7:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Congratulations mithridates. Good choice.. seems to have worked out quite well.
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Ryst Helmut



Joined: 26 Apr 2003
Location: In search of the elusive signature...

PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

scarneck wrote:
It sounds like you are very gifted with the language abilities. Being able to further your studies for free seems too good to be true. The tuition is free correct?


Actually, depending on the school, tuitions are waived. I have been offered free tuitions to Korean universities (on MA/Ph.D programmes) just 'cause I am what I am.

As for 'should you take it?' ... what is your long term goal? Dae-jeon is fine, I've seen worse. Full time student, AND you want to work full-time? Umm, no. Try, lucrative privates to make ends meet...and they'd be legal for you.

Shoosh,

Ryst
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CaptPorridge



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mithridates wrote:
They aren't free, but they might as well be - 120 000W a year for 4 hours a week, 15 hours a week during university breaks.
Very Happy


Its a cult don't do it!!! Wink
wow that sounds great, I'm really happy for you. all the best!!!
4 hours a week -- 92 less hours a week than the Daejon guys,
Whether they were legit or not, Like Indiana Jones, I believe you have chosen wisely.
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Son Deureo!



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ryst Helmut wrote:
Actually, depending on the school, tuitions are waived. I have been offered free tuitions to Korean universities (on MA/Ph.D programmes) just 'cause I am what I am.



I'm curious about this, what kinds of programs were you offered free tuition for? What were their requirements?
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CaptPorridge



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2003 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Mr Mithy,

Oh man i am sooo curious.....what did the universities have to say about the Daejon group??? Did you work out if they were legit???
answer swiftly and surely, and I will be pleased,
refuse and I will feel rejected, again..... Crying or Very sad
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kiwiboy_nz_99



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2003 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

M, I take it that if you're already up to 5000 hanja that your spoken Korean is pretty damn fluent. I salute you, it seems so few westerns ever acheive that. I'm on the path too. May I ask how you go there, as in how many hours of study per week did you do? I study regularly but have a bit a of inherent laziness to deal with, I know I could be doing more hours, I just have other things I'm also into, like making music. How many hours a day/week did you put into it?
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mithridates



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2003 6:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The other universities just said that the place was a really good place to learn Chinese lit if you were willing to put the effort in. It's quite hardcore but mostly self-study at the same time, so it takes a lot of personal motivation.
It's funny that you mentioned music because I learned about half of the Korean I know through it. I started out in 1998 learning Japanese back in Canada as an outlet to escape from my office temp work, went to Japan and became fluent in Japanese later on. After all that work on a difficult language I thought that I would have had enough of studying by the time I mastered Japanse, but I was wrong - it's become quite the addiction. That's when Korean came in because Korea's close to Kyushu and I had found out some time before how closely related the two languages are. I would say I put in...four hours a day? I can't just study all day; I need to work and see friends and so on as well. The minumum amount of study I do in a day is about two hours, and two weeks before a big test I usually do 6-8 hours a day if I can handle it.
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Mashimaro



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2003 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mithridates wrote:

It's funny that you mentioned music because I learned about half of the Korean I know through it.

Can you please elaborate on using music to learn Korean?
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mithridates



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 7:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All right. ^^

First, find some music you can stand listening to repeatedly. Make sure it has the lyrics.
Also, make sure you understand Korean grammar well enough that you can decipher most sentences with the aid of a dictionary.
Then, pick a song you like and listen to it a few times. Write down whatever you hear, as musc as possible. You should reach a point where you can't pick out any more words, and that's when you stop the CD, take out the lyrics, and pretend that you're reading a book or newspaper article. Go over everything, don't skip any parts if possible, and make notes of parts that seem a bit vague or ones that you just can't understand. Ask a friend or teacher/tutor about those.
Once you have deciphered all the lyrics, take a moment and think about the meaning of the song. It's easy to get so bogged down in deciphering grammar that you forget the whole point of the song. By that time you should have the whole thing embedded in your mind to a certain extent, so then listen to the song some five or more times while following along with your finger.
You have now succeeded in putting some 3-4 minutes of fluent Korean into your head! Repeat.
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Tiger Beer



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 4:32 am    Post subject: Re: A bit of a dilemma Reply with quote

mithridates wrote:
I'm quite certain this subject has never come up before:
I've learned some 5000 or so chinese characters in my time here and before in Japan and recently took a high level test over here. The people at the organization there that manages the test spotted me applying for it, hauled me off to the office and asked for my phone number, then arranged for an interview for their magazine.
A few weeks passed, and I was in the magazine. Showed the magazine to a few people, and that was about it...
until two days ago when a phone call came from a professor in a university in Daejon. She said she wanted me to study at her university and so we arranged to meet today. I went down there this afternoon to see exactly what she wanted from me and it turns out she wants me to study for free in this...not so much a school as an old-school Korean sino-Korean literature study area (old-school in architectural style but recently built). There are only five people there right now; they live there and study, from about 6am to 10pm or so, spend the whole day memorizing confucian literature (of which there are seven books). With work it takes two years to memorize them all inside and out, whereupon one becomes a professor of Sino-Korean literature. The other students I met there can recite pages upon pages of the stuff from memory - kind of cool and a bit creepy at the same time. Apparently she contacted me because there are few professors who can translate the stuff into English well and there is apparently a huge demand for it, and as a fluent English-speaking professor of Korean literature I could get a job pretty much anywhere. This is especially tempting to me especially because I haven't gone to university yet on the basis that I would once they recognize what I've learned up to now on my own.
But on the other side it means spending all day and night there, except on Saturdays, and Daejon is some two hours away from Seoul. There's a university within walking distance so it wouldn't exactly be a complete death knell on my social life, but being able to trot off to Gangnam at a moment's notice would be a thing of the past (for two years at least).
I'm mostly in a daze from the suddenness of this - I told her that I would get back to her sometime next week.
Ah yes, for those who know Daejon it's right next to the World Cup Stadium there. There are mountains around but at least it's not right in the middle of nowhere.


so what'd you decide?
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Mashimaro



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 1:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Son Deureo! wrote:
Ryst Helmut wrote:
Actually, depending on the school, tuitions are waived. I have been offered free tuitions to Korean universities (on MA/Ph.D programmes) just 'cause I am what I am.



I'm curious about this, what kinds of programs were you offered free tuition for? What were their requirements?


I'm interested to know about these discounted/waived tuition fees too.


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Drakoi



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 4:05 am    Post subject: Re: A bit of a dilemma Reply with quote

mithridates wrote:
I'm quite certain this subject has never come up before:
I've learned some 5000 or so chinese characters in my time here and before in Japan and recently took a high level test over here. The people at the organization there that manages the test spotted me applying for it, hauled me off to the office and asked for my phone number, then arranged for an interview for their magazine.
A few weeks passed, and I was in the magazine. Showed the magazine to a few people, and that was about it...
until two days ago when a phone call came from a professor in a university in Daejon. She said she wanted me to study at her university and so we arranged to meet today. I went down there this afternoon to see exactly what she wanted from me and it turns out she wants me to study for free in this...not so much a school as an old-school Korean sino-Korean literature study area (old-school in architectural style but recently built). There are only five people there right now; they live there and study, from about 6am to 10pm or so, spend the whole day memorizing confucian literature (of which there are seven books). With work it takes two years to memorize them all inside and out, whereupon one becomes a professor of Sino-Korean literature. The other students I met there can recite pages upon pages of the stuff from memory - kind of cool and a bit creepy at the same time. Apparently she contacted me because there are few professors who can translate the stuff into English well and there is apparently a huge demand for it, and as a fluent English-speaking professor of Korean literature I could get a job pretty much anywhere. This is especially tempting to me especially because I haven't gone to university yet on the basis that I would once they recognize what I've learned up to now on my own.
But on the other side it means spending all day and night there, except on Saturdays, and Daejon is some two hours away from Seoul. There's a university within walking distance so it wouldn't exactly be a complete death knell on my social life, but being able to trot off to Gangnam at a moment's notice would be a thing of the past (for two years at least).
I'm mostly in a daze from the suddenness of this - I told her that I would get back to her sometime next week.
Ah yes, for those who know Daejon it's right next to the World Cup Stadium there. There are mountains around but at least it's not right in the middle of nowhere.


I guess it depends on your temperament. Sure sounds like an interesting opportunity. What you want to weigh is what you get out of it (lots) verses what you put into it(time). How much is your time worth to you?

edit: Doh, got caught by TB's dead thread again...
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matthewwoodford



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 4:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So Mithridates since this thread started back in 2003, does that mean you have now memorised reams of obscure Confucian texts? And have credit towards a degree or professorship? Perhaps you are now in a position to make some informed comment as to what Confucianism is actually all about - apart from the stuff we've all heard about age, hierarchy, and conservatism.
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