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charlieDD
Joined: 16 Jun 2006 Location: Seoul, Korea
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 7:12 pm Post subject: . . . |
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tomato

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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I can explain why your Korean students complain about writing assignments:
Excuse the pun, but creative writing is totally foreign to Korean students.
I doubt if you would have this problem if the homework consisted of multiple choice and fill-in-the-blank.
Here in Korea, we get blank stares every time the student book calls for any creative writing.
I've tried saying, "Write it in Korean, then, and we will worry about having it translated later."
I still got blank stares, because they never even did any creative work in Korean.
Sometimes I marvel that there are books and magazines written in Korean.
I frankly wonder who writes those books and magazines. |
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mateomiguel
Joined: 16 May 2005
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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tomato wrote: |
Sometimes I marvel that there are books and magazines written in Korean.
I frankly wonder who writes those books and magazines. |
You should ask some Korean people what those books and magazines say. You can get another marvel when they tell you "it has no meaning" or "I don't know."
I'm starting to get the impression that written Korean is not really a language in and of itself, but more like shorthand for Chinese and/or English. |
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Justin Hale

Joined: 24 Nov 2007 Location: the Straight Talk Express
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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CharlieDD wrote: |
Except for the Korean, none of the other students could point to where Korea was on the map. Some pointed to Taiwan. One pointed to the Hong Kong area. The others simply had no idea. These same students, when prompted to do so, pointed out Japan without fail.
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In their defence, it's hardly the most famous, significant of countries. |
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ajgeddes

Joined: 28 Apr 2004 Location: Yongsan
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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Justin Hale wrote: |
CharlieDD wrote: |
Except for the Korean, none of the other students could point to where Korea was on the map. Some pointed to Taiwan. One pointed to the Hong Kong area. The others simply had no idea. These same students, when prompted to do so, pointed out Japan without fail.
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In their defence, it's hardly the most famous, significant of countries. |
I think that's the point. |
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spliff

Joined: 19 Jan 2004 Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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seems their teachers are lacking. |
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ardis
Joined: 20 Apr 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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tomato wrote: |
I can explain why your Korean students complain about writing assignments:
Excuse the pun, but creative writing is totally foreign to Korean students.
I doubt if you would have this problem if the homework consisted of multiple choice and fill-in-the-blank.
Here in Korea, we get blank stares every time the student book calls for any creative writing.
I've tried saying, "Write it in Korean, then, and we will worry about having it translated later."
I still got blank stares, because they never even did any creative work in Korean.
Sometimes I marvel that there are books and magazines written in Korean.
I frankly wonder who writes those books and magazines. |
That's weird--I did creative writing with elementary students at a summer camp here and also do creative writing each week with my after school class at my public school. My younger kids came up with hysterical stuff--really, really unique, while with my middle school kids, it's a mixed bag. One boy couldn't think of anything but the boy next to him wrote a depressing short story called "Death of the Bears" and another girl wrote about Christmas elves invading our school.
Also, I taught creative writing at summer arts programs in Wash., D.C., and it was much of the same thing. I had some brilliant kids and others that couldn't even get ten words on the page.
So...your comment just comes off as extremely amusing to me. |
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tomato

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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Ardis, instead of going
at me for not doing a job as well as you did,
how about doing something constructive--like describing how you did it.
That could help me, that could help the OP, that could help my students, and that could help the OP's students.
That could even create a ripple, so there is no telling who else it could help. |
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VanIslander

Joined: 18 Aug 2003 Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:01 am Post subject: |
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Korean students in Korea can't find Korea on a world map.
Seriously.
I put a world map on the wall and for months a student at one time or another, when they eventually locate it (with plenty of hints), would bemoan how small Korea is.
Look at the map books they learn from in school: they're FULL of maps of every place in the world, but not a single map of the whole world, amazing as that seems, no context reference for the students, as they first look at a huge full page map of Korea (NOT South Korea either) and then next page a map of China with no connection inbetween and they get a sense they are about the same size.
Back home one can laugh at the inflated ego of some people but here it is a full blown nationalistic imperative. |
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shantaram

Joined: 10 Apr 2007
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:14 am Post subject: |
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I wonder about kids at my school being taught the Koguryeo map at age 7. I think it must have confused them.
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inukshuk
Joined: 27 Jan 2008 Location: korea
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:50 am Post subject: |
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you've managed to prove that they are foreigners. You've also proven that Korea is a very small sized country. |
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happeningthang

Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 3:57 am Post subject: |
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Every Korean kid I've asked has been able to find Korea without any problems. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 4:14 am Post subject: |
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how about doing something constructive--like describing how you did it.
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tomato,
Take a look at An Ajosshi's Story #75 that I posted today. It tells how I did it and includes several examples of the end result. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 4:36 am Post subject: |
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My kids weren't aware Korea was in Asia. One kid pointed to Kamchatka thinking it was Korea. But they could all find Japan and knew Dokdo was an island (they were hard pressed to name more than two islands). When asked what ocean Korea was on, they said "the east sea".
This leads me to believe Korean geography is basically taught from the perspective of "who screwed us over and what we've been screwed over on".
And nothing funnier then going to the "World Food Court" and finding it's all Korean food plus Burger King. BK makes it "world". |
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crash bang
Joined: 11 Jul 2007 Location: gwangju
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 4:49 am Post subject: |
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finding korea on a world map should be easy. it's the country thats the most Sparkling (TM) |
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