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lvasia
Joined: 15 Nov 2007
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 Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 7:14 pm Post subject: sorry to see so many negative people working here :( |
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when i think of all the sarcastic, rude, bitter comments that i've seen here, the first thing i think of is that these people are working in korea as foreign teachers and affecting the ways koreans think about foreigners/foreign teachers/westerners/americans, whatever. i know some of these people chose korea because of the high salary. i almost wish koreans would offer less money so that these people would be less likely to come.
it's true there has been all kinds of mistreatment towards teachers, but the teachers haven't been perfect either.
i met some hagwon owners who told me they hired a teacher for a year who was rude to the students, was only there for the money and caused a lot of students to quit. after he finished they decided to have a different kind of hagwon because they didn't want to hire a foreign teacher again. of course that's their side of the story only, but i wonder how many other hagwons have made the same decision.
anyway, for so many reasons, it bothers me to think that there are so many people like this working in korea. |
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shantaram
Joined: 10 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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| It bothers me, too. Although Korea did drive me up the wall a little when I was there so I can understand a little. What really bothers me is the number of posts on this forum at the moment trying to 'prove' Korean insecurity, and going off-topic to lambast Korea for not being as important or powerful as other countries. This kind of talk makes it very, very difficult for westerners in Korea. If the people writing these comments are not already aware, the site gets read by Koreans every day! The people writing these comments should take a long hard look at how their actions make westerners look. |
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whatever
Joined: 11 Jun 2006
Location: Korea: More fun than jail.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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| You're both douchebags. |
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spliff
Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand
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| Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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| ^I'm afraid that I must concur. |
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nicholas_chiasson
Joined: 14 Jun 2007
Location: Samcheok
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| Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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-if the comments of some individuals on a messageboard can influence the lives of all foreigners here...we're all screwed because reading the comments posted on anyone of the korean-english language papers indicate we are all in trouble anyway.
-In other words, the negativity on daves will not increase the attitude CERTAIN people have to foreigners in this country. Mr. Lee Myong-Bak with his global korean vision is going to do more to improve foreigner-korean relations than anything since the world cup. Just a hunch though.
-For the record, how many guys here have yelled at a girl for having a korean boyfriend? a few crack-pots maybe. How many korean guys have yelled at us for having korean girlfriends(or even just being seen in public with one.) a lot of us.
-Your attempts to make everything all smoothed over maybe noble but worthless. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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I agree with the OP.
There's a lot of bitterness on these boards; it can't be helping people, even if not a single Korean were to read the boards. |
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bejarano-korea
Joined: 13 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 8:53 pm Post subject: Re: sorry to see so many negative people working here :( |
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| lvasia wrote: |
when i think of all the sarcastic, rude, bitter comments that i've seen here, the first thing i think of is that these people are working in korea as foreign teachers and affecting the ways koreans think about foreigners/foreign teachers/westerners/americans, whatever. i know some of these people chose korea because of the high salary. i almost wish koreans would offer less money so that these people would be less likely to come.
it's true there has been all kinds of mistreatment towards teachers, but the teachers haven't been perfect either.
i met some hagwon owners who told me they hired a teacher for a year who was rude to the students, was only there for the money and caused a lot of students to quit. after he finished they decided to have a different kind of hagwon because they didn't want to hire a foreign teacher again. of course that's their side of the story only, but i wonder how many other hagwons have made the same decision.
anyway, for so many reasons, it bothers me to think that there are so many people like this working in korea. |
Who are you?
What's your experience of working in Korea?
Do tell?
You have contributed very little to these forums yourself, but thank you for stopping by!  |
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reactionary
Joined: 22 Oct 2006
Location: korreia
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| Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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| i'm an english teacher, not an ambassador of good will. screw korea. |
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flakfizer
Joined: 12 Nov 2004
Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 9:44 pm Post subject: Re: sorry to see so many negative people working here :( |
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| lvasia wrote: |
i almost wish koreans would offer less money so that these people would be less likely to come.
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Share this idea with your boss. I'm sure something can be arranged. |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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| Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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| lvasia wrote: |
| i know some of these people chose korea because of the high salary. |
$2000/month might have been good money say, 10 years ago. How can anyone say this is a "high" salary in this day and age?
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I agree with the OP.
There's a lot of bitterness on these boards; it can't be helping people, even if not a single Korean were to read the boards. |
(1) The people posting to these boards do not reperesent the foreigners here in Korea. They don't even represent a large minority of foreigners teaching here in Korea.
(2) Even if people are a little aggressive here, most KEEP it here and are able to function in actual society like real people, not the whingy psychos some come across as.
(3) If there are hoards of alleged peanut gallery Koreans reading this board, why would I care. When I see the terrible way we get treated sometimes (denied pension, evicted without notice, not allowed international ATM cards, a host of other impositions forced upon us solely because we are not Korean), where are they? I don't see them trying to fix the injustices we encounter. I don't see them lining up to make Korea a more foreigner-friendly place. If they're not part of the solution, then they're part of the problem. *beep* them. |
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bejarano-korea
Joined: 13 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:23 pm Post subject: Re: sorry to see so many negative people working here :( |
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| know some of these people chose korea because of the high salary. i almost wish koreans would offer less money so that these people would be less likely to come. |
It is not a high salary whatsoever, it is a grand (UK sterling) a month which would not entice any qualified teacher from the UK. My sister is a primary school teacher on 24 grand a year. (whose salary rises per annum) The Koreans are commited capitalists and they are aware of the truism 'you get what you pay for'
Make the standards higher, I'm all for it. You would get less teachers or the hagwon owners are going to have to shell out more - you can't have it both ways.
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| it's true there has been all kinds of mistreatment towards teachers, but the teachers haven't been perfect either. |
Again, because of the low salary, you are getting people with no experience of teaching thus you are getting a comprimised low quality product, what do you think is going to happen when you get a youngster straight out of uni who has never had a proper job before - never mind a teaching job - and put them in front of 15 screaming brats to try and teach them English.
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| i met some hagwon owners who told me they hired a teacher for a year who was rude to the students, |
Again, you pay peanuts - you get monkeys. Get the hagwon owner to email me and I will put him in touch with my sister, she'll want over 4 million won a month minimmum, would they be interested? Nah, I didn't think so.
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| was only there for the money |
So what?
Most Koreans who are comitted capitalists are able to appreciate working in a country to make some money.
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| and caused a lot of students to quit. after he finished they decided to have a different kind of hagwon because they didn't want to hire a foreign teacher again. of course that's their side of the story only, but i wonder how many other hagwons have made the same decision. |
I think a lot of hagwon owners think they can fly someone half way around the world and treat them like shite without adapting their ways to having a western employee on the payroll, it happened to me when I first got here, my boss adapted and now we are all making their buisness work. Some hagwon owners can't do that and they in the end lose out. If they want to change their buisiness into a Chinese hagwon so they can shaft and underpay their employees then bully for them!
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| anyway, for so many reasons, it bothers me to think that there are so many people like this working in korea. |
Bad apples everywhere - I'm sure a lot of the EFL industry here is populated by tossers - that I have no doubt.
However who has the whip hand?
That's right, the Koreans.
Pay more and you might be able to demand more of the people coming to work over here.
It is really simple economic sense. |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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| Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm glad Koreans read this forum. Hopefully they are gaining an insight into how far up their asses their heads are. |
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Ilsanman
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea
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| Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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| of course that's their side of the story only |
Exactly. |
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that guy
Joined: 29 Feb 2004
Location: long gone
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nicholas_chiasson
Joined: 14 Jun 2007
Location: Samcheok
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| Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 12:51 am Post subject: |
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| Korea=where logic comes to die. |
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